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Featured Toyota Highlander to go BEV

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by drash, Apr 16, 2024.

  1. drash

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    With the Grand Highlander running around with ICE and Hybrid variants, one must wonder what is Toyota going to do with the Highlander? Well according to CarBuzz they talked to the general manager, David Crist, of the Toyota division in the US and found out the Highlander will go BEV only and will continue to be built in Kentucky. If you read the article carefully, the BEV Highlander won't be built for a couple more years.

    Exclusive: Toyota Highlander Going Electric As Part Of Toyota's Massive EV Ramp-Up

    "So strong is Toyota's commitment to hybridizing its lineup that, for the 2025 model year, the Toyota GR86 and Supra are the only products that don’t offer a hybrid option. Christ declined to say whether those models will be electrified in the future.

    He did confirm, “We’re going to expand plug-in availability throughout the line-up fairly quickly.” And while he didn’t name names, Toyota sources said the next models to get PHEV options will be the Sequoia SUV and Tundra and Tacoma pickups. Previously, Mike Sweers, executive chief engineer for the Tundra, Sequoia, Tacoma, and 4Runner vehicle programs within Toyota Motor North America, told us that the US market wasn't ready for electric versions of the Tundra and that there were many infrastructural hurdles to overcome before such a model became viable."

    There you go @hill a PHEV Sequoia and Tundra.
     
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    Lord please let it charge at 800v & have >300 miles range !
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    I hope Toyota blows those figures out of the water and advances EV's dynamics ever further!
     
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    Nice. EV9 competitor. But it’ll be through the midlife update by then.

    PHEV is a good option, especially for heavier duty vehicles.


    Highlander? I hope so. There’s also a chance it’ll be the “low cost mainstream” LFP battery. (The one that’s touted to be 40% cheaper and 10% more dense)
     
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    How long after the PHEV Ram do they show up?
     
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    Maybe shortly after Plug in Ramcharger starts taking away other manufacturers big car sales - they'll package their plug in for the Durango
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    Works for me too:
    • The 800 V chargers are still very scarce. So it requires a high power, buck converter ($$ and weight) or internal serial-parallel battery switches like the Cybertrick.
    • The 300 mi range adds weight for a small fraction of the daily drives. This reduces the vehicle efficiency for the vast majority of trips. Perhaps LiFePO chemistry will 'save it.'
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    EVGo and EA are 800V providers (FLO will be releasing theirs soon).

    Isn't LiFePo heavier than NMC and NCA chemistries?
     
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    True - the thing is some if not many purchasers unconsciously feel less drama knowing their vehicle CAN drive 50 miles from nowhere - w/out worrying about charging, whether or not they ever drive to such locations.
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    The buffer also helps in colder temperatures. 300 miles can be 200-250 miles once you factor in colder temperatures, snow covered roads and maybe you were charged to 80 or 90% instead of 100%
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    The last few years, I've been pre-heating the battery when ever the temperature was less than 50F (10 C.) There is almost no range loss on the first and back-to-back drives. Recently, I saw and plan to implement an underbody insulation layer to isolate nearly half of the battery from external temperature extremes. Keeping today's battery chemistry in a 'good range' is key to better performance.

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    To date Toyota has not been on the Forefront of Battery Tech thermal insulation/conditioning. Best to leave that up to the leaders in the field & hopefully Toyota will follow quickly.
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    It has a lower specific energy and energy density. So you need more cells to match the the other Li-ion. The LFP in the Model 3 takes up about the same space as the Li-ion in the long range version, and added 220 pounds over the old standard range L-ion version.

    The space needs are probably the bigger obstacle for using it in 300 mile EVs.
     
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    Happily, my Tesla range degradation, ~90% or 216 mi, has been compensated by more Superchargers, dealers with open access CCS-1 chargers fast DC and J1772, and adding CCS-1 fast DC charging to my 2019 Model 3. The increasing density of fast DC chargers, both Superchargers and CCS-1, begins to approach the density of truck stops on the Interstates and even short cuts between them.

    Battery chemistry, manufacturing, and packaging is in rapidly changing technology. Snapshots of earlier chemistries are important 'when you buy in.' But today's batteries are rapidly improving and I'm not count "Press Release Progress."

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    I wonder why Toyota decided to make the Highlander only a BEV rather than offer a hybrid variant
     
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    Don't make the fuel cell assumption that the other Li-ion chemistries aren't also improving alongside LFP. Will Tesla use structural battery packaging with LFP but not Li-ion for instance.

    I haven't even seen press release progress claiming LFP will match the nickel based Li-ion in performance.
     
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    Are we still waiting for Toyots solid state battery? Waah hapen'd
     
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    We'll see the bipolar tech they used in the Aqua NiMH applied to Li-ion first.
     
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    It helps it soak in (at least for me) if I translate:

    Toyota Highlander to go BEV Highlander is going pure-electric, no engine

    This may kill it??