Fight Breaks Out Over Relevance of Former In-House Lawyer's Documents in Toyota Probe

Oh, didn't you get the memo?

Bob Wilson

 

Don't be so quick to jump to a conclusion. You are seeing preliminary 'talking points' positioning. The real work is being done by the committee staff, not Issa's admin assistant.

 

happy days are here again!

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Really? Some light reading for you:House panel seeks details on Toyota safety - Autos- msnbc.com

Cliff-Notes version:

The attention that Toyota is getting isn't going away any time soon. They will be under scrutiny until the episodes of sudden acceleration stop happening.

 

House Panel Says Toyota Shows No Proof yet of Study - ABC News

Toyota executives told congressional hearings in recent weeks that throttle systems have been exhaustively tested without showing any problems.
Toyota is on really thin ice in so many ways. What did they really know and when?

 

(Sigh) Ooh brother ... how ignorant. If NTSB wants / requires MILLIONS of CARS to be tested for 1,000 miles, prior to sale, all they have to do is make that the rule. Until they set that standard to all manufacturers, the manufacturers will test to the current standard! So if (for example, an exageration) 800 cars unintended accelerate out of 8 MILLION ... guess what ... you won't necessarily catch even ONE of the 800, unless you test at LEAST TEN THOUSAND CARS ... for at least as much as ONE THOUSAND MILES! But carry on anyway ~


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The point of spwolf's post was to stomp out Biller's claims like they should be. These brushfires that keep popping will all have to be handled so stomping on Biller is an easy one to put aside.

Your reference is unrelated. It's another brushfire that will need attention in due time. It's part of being in business. 'May you live in interesting times'

 

Ford isn't under congressional scrutiny and having to provide quarterly updates as to how it is progressing on fixing issues for which they have recalls in progress.

Toyota is facing more than 'part of being in business'. They will be under a microscope until the various issues they are having recalls for go away. There is a new issue brewing regarding steering of Corollas. It doesn't seem to be ending anytime soon for Toyota.

Nice attempt at downplaying Toyota's plight, however.

 

Ford doesn't have the nut job attorney violating principals of "hint of impropriety" that he's supposed to be bound to. Um, the thread is "fight breaks out over the nut job lawyer's doc's". Nice attempt to deflect / ignore how it's primarily this nut job, and the Michigan Legislator driven attempt to "get even with the competition" ... rather than fixing how Flint/Detroit looks like bombed out Fallujah. Maybe they're hoping to use settlement funds to rebuild the city. No?

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I seem to recall posting in response to your post about happy days are here again (presumably because of disarray in the congressional investigation of Toyota). Just because one committee is disfunctional does not mean that the entire congressional investigation is disfunctional, and I provided a citation to the work of another congressional committee. If you think that my posting is an attempt to deflect/ignore the role of Biller and an alleged whack job that is sourced in the Michigan congressional delegation, I can't help you.

I am not sure where you get the 'proof' that settlement funds are going to be used to rebuild Flint/Detroit, which according to you, looks like bombed out Fallujah. Is it the same place where your apparent bile toward congressional investigations of Toyota is sourced?

 

There is nothing there. You can hope and hold your breath until you're blue in the face. You have speculation based on 3rd and 4th hand reports from biased sources. So does the NHTSA btw. I"ve been driving these vehicles for the last 20 yrs. There is nothing there.

You are free not to believe it. Your opinion doesn't matter. There is nothing there. this is based not only on my own and my family's experiences but several thousand others that I've encountered over these last 20 yrs . The story is the same in every case.

This subject however is about the scum-sucking slime that is Biller. Start another thread.

 

<ploink> Don't take it personal but I'm here for facts and data so I can form my own opinions. Sometimes, Good Buddy, I have to turn up the squelch to filter out the FUD.

Bob Wilson

 

And your opinion doesn't matter either. Fortunately, an investigation is underway that with any luck, will determine what is causing the instances of sudden acceleration. Once the root cause is determined, then Toyota can produce a solution and they can move on to the next recall.

 

Then you are wasting your time in this thread. There is an absence of facts; just pure speculation.

 

I have absolute confidence that the Congress of the United States can, all of a sudden, get competent and do something...anything. Right! Even with a super majority and control of the White House in the same party they can't do anything. Nothing. Not a thing.

 

Did you just wake up or something? NHTSA has been investigating the sudden acceleration issue first. They were the ones that 'encouraged' Toyota to stop production and fix the cars in the pipeline and then launch the recall for the cars that were already in customers hands.

 

Your time line is off. Toyota stopped production on its own volition. You're still missing the point. NHTSA has the authority to make Manufacturers STOP production if they feel it's necessary ... and the NHTSA was simply in agreement with Toyota's decision. So, does that imply the government/NHTSA is incompetant? or that they're right on, and that the problem is being dealt with as expeditiously as any ordinary prudent corporate manufacturer should be . . . or?

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My recollection of the timeline is that Toyota stopped the production line only after NHTSA sent staff to Japan to 'encourage' Toyota to voluntarily stop the production and commence a recall. Otherwise NHTSA was going to compel Toyota to stop selling their defective cars. Faced with an imminent cease and desist order, Toyota prudently agreed that it would be a good idea to stop the production line and fix the cars that are the subject of the various recalls.

My post was in response to Joey's post about how he trusted the congressional committees to do an investigation. I don't see how I am missing the point?