What is the most economical way to charge the hybrid battery while driving on city roads?

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  1. luvmypriushybrid

    luvmypriushybrid Junior Member

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    I was just wondering if anyone knows how i can charge my hybrid battery while driving on city streets with an average speed of 35-45MPH.

    here is what i do now, tell me what you guys think...
    once i get off the highway, the hybrid battery is almost full, only missing two "bricks" or "Bars."
    i will then accelerate very slowly only using the electric motor to drive the vehicle for the next couple of miles.
    once the battery has depleted to where it only has two bars, i will then accelerate a little faster to run the engine so it can charge the battery.

    BUT...i bring up the energy monitor and then watch the arrows..making sure that arrows are coming out of then engine to drive the vehicle AND making sure that the electric motor is NOT helping the engine, rather it helps the engine replenish the battery faster.

    when i do this, i notice that the instant MPG gauge is recording a higher MPG compared to when i accelerate using the engine and the electric motor to power the car.

    what do you guys think? i would appreciate any help or tips...thanks!
     
  2. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Hummm, I consider the traction battery to be part of the transmission so I don't really care what state of charge it has. The control computers handle that part. But this doesn't really answer your question.

    If I wanted the traction battery to be charged while burning the minimum amount of gas, I would set the cruise control to 47 mph. This ensures the engine is always running and it will always try to maintain a 60% SOC.

    Now if I wanted to get the best possible mileage, it would be the slowest speed traffic and conditions allow but not below 15 mph.

    Bob Wilson
     
  3. luvmypriushybrid

    luvmypriushybrid Junior Member

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    thanks! gonna hit the beach today and take a nice long drive along A1A...it runs along the beaches here in Fort Lauderdale for at least 10 miles and the traffic flows nicely between 20-30 MPH.
    excited to see how many MPG i can get going back and forth a few times
     
  4. David Beale

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    If you manage to drive in a way that uses the traction battery more than normal, you will end up more susceptible to having it fail.

    The more you use electric drive the lower your mileage will be. There is about a 50% loss in energy when you use electric drive through the whole process of generating the electricity, storing it, recovering it from storage, and converting it to motive power. The most economical way to drive the car is to do so in a manner that requires small throttle openings with the engine running and not charging the battery. Further, charging the battery only with regeneration (as much as can be done in normal driving).

    Just drive the car. Let the HSD take care of the details.

    But if you want to play, you probably won't harm anything.
     
  5. nerfer

    nerfer A young senior member

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    It's been said before but apparently missed again - deliberately using the battery is an inefficient method of driving. The hypermilers have learned to avoid battery use as much as possible. Pretend it's a normal car and just try to drive efficiently that way and you'll get better mileage. (Eg. using moderate acceleration, planning your coasting by looking ahead, and avoiding braking as much as possible. And of course keeping your tires at least at the recommended pressure, I go 4 or 5 psi over.)

    If you want to take advantage of the hybrid system there are some details to keep in mind. First, accelerate without using the battery, whenever possible, but a little recharge to the battery is okay. The battery should normally be reserved for those situations where it needs to help the engine for heavier acceleration (you're at the front at a stop light, going up a hill, etc.). The battery gets its power from the gas engine, but there are efficiency losses when converting kinetic energy (car or engine motion) to electrical energy to chemical energy (stored in the battery), eventually back to electrical energy and then kinetic energy again. It's better to just use the gas engine directly when possible. If you want to use advanced techniques, learn pulse and glide and the 4 (actually 5) stages of the Prius.

    The advantage of having the battery is that the engine can be reduced in size and optimized for total energy output rather than immediate torque (Atkinson cycle), and the engine can be turned off while stopped or in motion but with low HP usage. Driving the car in EV mode should really be used sparingly, like to get over a little hill without the ICE kicking in, not as a major part of your commute.


    Edit: what David said. He beat me to the punch and said it in a simpler way.
     
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    Downhill, ha!

    Seriously, though, accellerating faster uses the battery. To get out of 2 bars quickly, when no downhill is available, accellerate slowly (about halfway between electric and power on the HSI) and for a long time, and then slowly brake, when you do.
     
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    A few problems here: wasted fuel, damaged battery, and high risk of being killed in road rage accident.