Due to overwhelming (ahem) demand, I'm breaking this out into its own thread. 252.2mi, 102 kWh. 40.4 kWh/100mi or 2.48 mi/kWh (+26 gas, 0.8gal) 175.5mi, 60.5 kWh. 34.5 kWh/100mi or 2.9mi/kWh 125.1mi, 42.9 kWh. 34.3 kWh/100mi or 2.91mi/Kwh (+20, 0.46gal) 127.8mi, 43.7kWh. 34.2 kWh/100mi or 2.92 mi/kWh 229.2mi, 71.7kWh. 31.3 kWh/100mi or 3.2 mi/kWh (+4.5, 0.13 gal) 241.6mi, no data. Power outage that week. Avg over last 2500 EV miles: 33.4 kWh/100mi or 2.99 mi/kWh Last week was brutally hot for NJ (readings of 102-104 by the car) and my wife took the Volt to the beach on Saturday. It showed in my worst recorded results. Very curious how much battery thermal management affected the results but there's no way to tease it out. The car is parked outside all the time which does not help one bit. It sounds like a jet when pre-cooling @ 102F indicated - every fan in the car spooled up to "11". EDIT: Here are previous weeks, I'll do this until it becomes impractical if anyone is interested.: 128.0 mi, 43.49 kWh. 34.0 kWh/100mi or 2.94 mi/kWh (+2 gas, 0.05gal) 123.8 mi, 42.91 kWh. 34.7 kWh/100mior 2.89 mi/kWh 264.3 mi, 79.03 kWh. 29.9 kWh/100mi or 3.34 mi/kWh (+12 gas, 0.37gal) 172.9 miles, 54.25 kWh*. 31.4 kWh/100mi or 3.19 miles/kWh. 227 mi, 81.3 kWh -- 35.8 kWh/100mi or 2.79 mi/kWh 223.6 mi , 75.71 kWh -- 33.85 kWh/100mi or 2.95 mi/kWh 249.7 mi, 73.1 kWh -- 29.27 kWh/100mi or 3.41 mi/kWh (+7 gas, 0.2gal) 191.1 mi, 62.25 kWh -- 32.6 kWh/100mi or 3.07 mi/kWh (+12 gas, 0.36gal)
He's not re-starting the success or failure question (See 1100+ post thread), he was giving data in that thread and was asked to start a new one for discussion of the data.
Just moving evnow's post over. Early on, it looked like I could achieve parity with you but we have definitely diverged as the heat has come up in NJ. That, and I'm not the most fastidious eco-driver. I have even been known (gasp!) to leave the AC on in the car while running into a store. I've been wondering how much charging efficiency I throw away with L1 vs L2. I apparently qualify for a "free" SPX EVSE but it requires paying an SPX-approved technician some ridiculous fee despite the fact that I already have 240 in my garage for a heater.
Average premium gas mileage is 35 MPG. You are doing better with electricity but worse with the gas compared to the EPA numbers.
Great information. mfennell's volt lifetime average 3.0 m/kwh evnowls leaf lifetime average 3.4 m/kwh Both exceed EPA estimates. YMMV, especially mine with heavy AC, so I won't match, but great mileage is possible. The last question for mfennell is when do you use the gas engine. Do you use it mainly for a few long trips, or is it more of a daily suplement?
What does that tell us? Are those vehicles you still own, owned in the past, or is your only vehicle the Volt now? .
I've only made one long trip of about 350 miles. All other times have been a supplement. Coincidentally (or not), my wife has put about 75% of the gas miles on the car, though she drives it maybe 10% of the time.
My feeling is 35 is probably close to right but I have never done an at-the-pump measurement - I've only put gas in it twice in 4400 miles and only 3/4 tank the last time. All the little quantities can't possibly be precisely accurate. That, and I'm sure mileage suffers from short trips just like other cars. It's not uncommon for my engine run to barely get through warm-up before I'm home.
Very cool. You probably did use the majority of your gasoline on that one trip if I am reading your gas usage properly. I know that 350 mile trip was an outlier, but how many gallons did you use? Even your wife is hardly using any gasoline, then again if the volt had 20% better range you might have only used a trickle. I wonder if GM can squeeze that much extra simply out of using a broader SOC when battery improvements come.
I have no idea, unfortunately. I don't know if the tank was full when I started and I didn't even record what the car thought I used. Then there was the matter of leaving it ON in a hotel parking lot overnight... Anyway, the car says I've used 15 gallons over 4400 miles of driving. Best (educated) guess is that I've used 1300kWh during that time. I have measured 833 kWh over the last 2490 EV miles.
What is your Volt data suppose to represent then? Driving anything else taints daily efficiency & expectations. .
It's my data. Does it trouble you that it doesn't match your pre-conceived notions? Feel free to refer to the other Volt drivers willing to provide this forum with raw results if mine do not reach your threshold for acceptability. You made that exact point already and I addressed it: You have my driving details. Again. Extrapolate my data as necessary to show how much the car sucks.
Are you saying we can't trust the data from anybody who might drive another car? If anything, mfennell's results with the Volt become more impressive if he drives it in manner close to how those others are typically driven.
John is just saying that other cars in the mix let the owner select or exclude trips that could alter the average Volt data if it was the only car. This happens in my home, e.g. We use the Prius most of the time, but the Subaru is used for trips to the hardware store, and in the winter for short trips or bad snow days. If the Prius was the only car, its lifetime average would be less than it is. Mfennel could clarify how many of the 3k miles a year he drives a car other than the Volt are jaunts over 35 miles a trip.
I think the point to remember is all that an individual driver can report is that driver's results and experiences. We're not testing labs able to set up clinical trials with regulated controls. In the law we have the concept of the "reasonable man", but no single person is such. There is also no "average driver" everyone's circumstances are different, how far they commute, terrain and climate, if they have other cars in the family, etc... Its why they say YMMV, it always does. It one of the issues with PHEVs (Plug in Prius included), HOW you use the car has a much bigger impact on economy than in traditional cars, even hybrids. As to the grief we catch on here from the haters (jk), its all good, I enjoy spirited debate with informed people strong in their convictions. If we wanted to just gush over how great the car is with similarly minded individuals we know where to do that too (gm-volt.com).
I did my best SWAG. Twice. It's right there in the post. I guessed, absolute worst case to be conservative, 1000 miles outside the Volt's EV range, which is more typically 40-45 miles in my experience. I just don't drive outside my immediate area all that often these days. As I said, rerun the numbers in any way you see fit. Assume ALL those extra miles are in CS mode. Or use Consumer Report's winter-in-connecticut results. Whatever you like. I've provided plenty of data showing CD and CS mode operation under my control. It is what it is. As an aside, in 4 months, I have yet to encounter a need not met by the car. A small lawnmower in the box (rechargeable, of course) even fit in the hatch with the seats up, much to my surprise. My wagon is sometimes more convenient but has not been absolutely necessary and only lethargy prevents me from selling it for the $500 it's easily worth.
Yup. Having that option changes outcome. It's like the difference from those who plug in multiple times per day rather than just overnight. The data won't be representative of what others will encounter who don't have that. We don't have a basis of comparison provided either. What was the efficiency prior to the plug-in purchase? How can you know what the improvement without those details? .
