Texas is evidence that climate change doesn't exist...

Isn't that the truth!

 

Now that is a broad brush.

 

Everything is bigger in Texas.

Tom

 

Do you mean my pointing at Texas, or my assertion that intelligent life does not exist on Earth?

BTW, I have long advocated that we give Texas back to Mexico. (I'm not opposed to giving back the rest of the American southwest, I'm just not making that particular point.) Giving back Texas would improve the U.S.

 

Clearly this belongs in FHOP and not in environmental discussion. As much as I dislike the govenor's pray in, and his suggestion of praying for rain, its not as if that has much to do with science or evidence. There is an environmental and human tragedy with the wild fire situation that probably is worth discussion here.

Hmm. So your theory is if there is intelligent life on earth it must be in Texas. Well shucks, that is nice of you, but lacks a little bit of logic.

They probably don't teach very good Texas history in your state, and you probably slept through that part of us history, but texas was an independent country when it joined the US. It may be good for texas if it was a sovereign country. I doubt that the US would let it get out of its share of the debt, or withdraw texans from the US military. The US would be whiter (less minorities), and have a bigger trade deficit, and likely higher unemployment. It would still have bachman and santorum, the coal and oil lobbies, and even a higher amount of CO2 per kwh.

 

From MST3K, my favorite Crow quote: "Here in Southern Texas, there is an additional problem... 'Texans!'"

Tom

 

I was struck by comments regarding "fire leaping through tree tops" while reading many reports on the wildfire that is ravagibng Texas right now.

Fire should never be in the tree tops (crown fires). That leads me to believe that the areas in which this is happening were not properly managed for fuel load reduction and fire safety. This happens when you cut funding to firefighters and forestry services. It is expensive to complete a fuel load reduction program but when the result is excess ladder fuels and devastating fire, an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It might have made Rick Perry look a little better if he hadn't been on the council that reduced fire funding by 75% recently. Ouch! But hey, like Rick says, make more people independent instead of dependent. I guess that doesn't really work out in many cases. *shrug*

 

Cool, a hate TX thread (not directed at you specifically, F8L...you aren't being inflammatory but raising important questions re: fire contingency/management). Mexican secession? You won't have to worry, we're on the cusp of becoming one big happy North American (Union) family.

Rick Perry, the opportunist, can go back to the hole from which he crawled out. Ron Paul 2012 or bust (that's how dire the economic situation is in my, and many others', estimation...climate change and chasing "green" dreams won't even be fleeting thoughts during the ensuing calamity).

 

Out of the Republican presidential candidates, Ron Paul comes in second on my list. He is too much of a free market Libertarian for me. Huntsman seems to be a bit more realistic to me. Maybe that is because I'm more moderate than most people. It's obvious that Rick Perry would be a terrible choice to run this country. He can't even run a single state well.

 

As a Texan, that has helped in the volunteer effort, and is breathing the smoke from the fires, I got to question the I hate texas theme here. When your neighbor's house is burning its important to say something bad about them so that it seems like they deserve it.

I'm not quite sure how this could be manged properely. Its a big space with managed and unmanaged parkland. We had a wet fall here that caused a great deal of growth, that now made things so flamible that people called into 911 if a cigarette butt was thrown from a car. The dryness, heat and the huricane winds are an awful combination.

The cuts just kicked in. The cuts are stupid, but its like blaming obama care for the bad economy. Nothing has happened yet. Given the devastation, I would love a mitigation program, but I don't even know if that is possible in years like this.

Rick is asking the federal government to pay for it, like they did in the california wild fires. But perry is quite a hypocrite here.

Paul at least has the courage of his conviction, but a republican against war, oil subsidies, and for legal drugs doesn't have a chance even for a fair coverage in the media. He is running number 3 in the polls. Huntsman biggest claim to fame is blandness, he isn't even the number one Mormon in the primary.

 

You sound surprised? I am not, sadly.

 

I agree. I don't think the hate is directed towards to individuals though. Moreso the general attitude of "get out of my business".

The current climate conditions there make it nearly impossible to prevent fires but thoughtful management in rural and suburban areas can drastically reduce fire damage to human infrastructure. I have a seat in a local fire safe council that struggles to educate people on fire preparedness and creating fire safe properties. Proper management requires lots of time and money so I will not blame Texas too much. CA has it's own issues with wildfires and improper management.

Probably not but hopefully this disaster will wake people up and set them on a path of fuels management and awareness. It's a bit more manageable than say living in New Orleans and having to move out of the region to avoid disaster (that is what I would do though).

Agreed! Telling people to pray for rain? Seriously?

Hunstman is much to moderate and his speech about believing in science, especially climate change and evolution probably cause him to loos more than half of the usual conservative republicans. It's amazing how much bible thumping goes on in politics.

 

For those who live in rural areas like this please read up on defensible space practices. It could save your home one day!

General Guidelines for Creating Defensible Space

 

I do not know, a long time ago carbon was removed from the atmosphere and sequestered underground.

The climate became sufficient for human development.

Now we're digging it up and putting it back into the atmosphere.

I wonder what might happen?

 

Maybe I know more Texas history than you do. I do know more than you mentioned above:

When Texas was part of Mexico, the Mexican government offered to allow U.S. citizens to settle there for free. The only requirements were that they agree to become Catholics (something I'd have refused to do) and that they swear loyalty to Mexico, which would be their new country.

The U.S. government coveted the land, and ENCOURAGED Americans to LIE, by moving to Texas, and swearing falsely to be loyal to Mexico. Once there were enough Americans there, they committed treason against their adopted country by rebelling against Mexico. Being so far from the population centers of Mexico, Mexico was not able to subdue the rebellion. Texas became independent, and after a suitable time, to give the false impression that it was not all a carefully-orchestrated plan of the U.S. government, Texas joined with the U.S.

I am all for self-determination. But the rebellious Texans went there with the dishonest intention of breaking their oath. They were criminals and traitors to their adopted country.

I am very sorry for the people who have lost or are losing property to the fires. But this has nothing to do with the issue, and I have advocated giving back the stolen land for several decades. Nobody who advocates returning the rest of the American southwest will get any argument from me.

 

So much hate, daniel. Let it out. Just understand the last flag over texas before it became part of the united states was the lone star. You got that wrong, and now you are doing what, trying to

There is also a proud tejano culture here, and I live by Greune and Fredricksburg that were settled pre-texas revolution by germans. The lack of freedom of religion was one reason for the revolution.

Wow, that is a really distorted version of the history. I don't think even our local conspiracy theorist alex jones would buy it.

So my girlfriend's family that came from spain 200 years ago and my family that didn't get here till the last century were all dishonest traitors for the us government. What about my running coach that fled genicide in burundi? Are we all pawns against mexico? Give me a break.

Well this land wasn't stolen from mexico, it was freed. You could say it was stolen from native american's then stolen by spain, france, mexico, before it was liberated in the texas revolution.

 

Would that be like the neo-cons like to say,, that we "liberated" Iraq?

Hmm,,,,

 

Another ignorant place heard from. Do you believe daniel's warped version of history! Texans fought for independence, starting the revolution when the corrupt mexican government removed key constitutional rights in 1835. You obviously want to give california and new mexico to Mexico, that was the expansionist Mexican American war. If you want to learn more about this please read it at a scholarly source, and read some first hand Lincoln and Thoreau. You and Daniel seem to have as keen a grip of history as bachman. Also the idea that The US should treat California citizens like garbage and give the state to Mexico because of the way the territory was aquired, is also an idiot idea. The people in texas, california, should be able to speak for themselves, and if texas were to be out of the US, Daniel nor you should dictate control to the government of Texas.

 

Wasn't he nominated for Darwin award?

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