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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by revhigh, Feb 13, 2012.

  1. revhigh

    revhigh MPG Enthusiast

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    Hey All !!

    My Factory supplied Yoko S33B's are coming to the end of their lives at about 25K, and I'm thinking of replacing them with the Michelin Hydroedge Green X's. The stock tires are 195X65X15 and are 25 inches in diameter at 829 revs per mile. I was thinking of replacing them with the Michelins at 215X60X15 which are 25 inches in diameter and 832 revs per mile. This would give me more tread on the road with no speedometer error.

    My question is ... will I take a large hit in MPG's ?? I run my Yokos at 42/40 now, and intend to do the same with the Michelins .... maybe higher if it allows and the ride doesn't suffer too much.

    I don't want to lose MPG's and think the car would look and perform better with the wider tires, but I REALLY don't want to lose MPG's, which have averaged a calculated 48 MPG for me for the first 25K miles. If it went down to 45 or so ... even though it's not THAT big of a decrease cost wise ... mentally it would bother me.

    It seems that there's not much talk here about moving up to either 205X60X15 or 215X60X15 from the stock 195X65X15's. Is there a reason for that ?

    Thanks for any input.


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    More rubber on the road = more rolling resistance.
    More rolling resistance = lower MPGs.
     
  3. Mendel Leisk

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    The hydroedge are not LRR, and going to a wider tire: mileage will suffer. I'd stick with stock size, and look up the available LRR tires. If I was in your shoes with the 15" (our stock size is 17") I might go with Bridestone EP20, but there's quite a few possibilities:

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    Hi Guys !

    I have read and studied the tire threads ... I'm just wondering why nobody has gone to a larger (wider) tire than stock.

    It seems that the 215X60X15, being an almost exact alternative in terms of diameter and revs per mile would have been tried by someone already. I don't mind giving up a little MPG's, and would think that the guys with 17's who have the same tread width (as I'm contemplating), would be reporting considerably less MPG as well.

    Has NO ONE tried the upgraded +0's ??

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    Would you use the same rims? They may or may not be compatible with wider tires, there must be some cut off.
     
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    Because it hurts mpg and most people don't want to lose mpg. That is the reason.

    You are likely to take a pretty big hit by going to a non-LRR tire AND going wider.

    If you are worried about wet traction keep in mind that a lot of LRR tires actually excel in wet weather braking and handling.
     
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    firepa63 Hit the nail on the head !
     
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    I was going to stay with LRR tires, just get wider ones (like the ProContacs with Eco plus). The 215's would be no wider than the Prii with 17's. Do the guys with the 17's take a big hit ?


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    Yes. They take a hit but since none of them have swapped to a 15" and done the testing we do not have a definitive number. Because of this i take their opinions with a grain of salt when they say they are not taking a hit. ;)

    Regardless, going wider than what YOU currently have will drop your mpg. :)

    If you want a wider tire for safety reasons then I say go for it. You should'nt lose too much but if you like playing video game mode and getting a high score then you should stick with The OEM size.
     
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    Thanks everyone. I think maybe I WILL stick to the standard size. It would bother me to go lower than 48 MPG.

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    Find some Subaru rims as they are a half an inch wider that toy rims and get your wider tires. Let us know how it goes.
     
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    Good choice. I'd hate to log into PC and read about how unhappy you are with the new tires because of a severe mpg drop. :(. Just remember that new tires may cause a temporary loss until they break in.
     
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    I'm not sure how some of you manage to wear those tires out so quickly. We had almost 43,000 miles on the same tires when the winter wheel set was swapped in last December. Same tires, same vehicle, and we live just an hour south of you. Are you running mostly rural roads with a lot of curves or something?
     
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    I'm sure that my tires 'technically' would last much longer, but when a tire becomes 'questionable' with me .... it's GONE. I probably have half the tread left, but that's only about 4-5 thirty seconds. I NEVER consume a tire down to the wear bars because handliing ... particularly wet handling is gone WAY before the wear bars are hit. The idea that you can actually use tires with wear anywhere near the wear bars is ludicrous to me. They simply are not safe at that level of wear. If I wanted to ... I have no doubt I could legally use these tires up to around 40K. But I won't.

    If you drive a car in a conservative manner 100% of the time (and I MEAN 100%) ... I'm sure you'd be fine taking them down to the wear bars, but I like to have a little fun sometimes with driving, and you can't do that with worn out tires. I've had people ask if they can have my old tires several times when I get rid of them .... I always say they can have them. It's not worth it to me to have tires I can't count on 100% of the time. There's no more important component in a car than it's tires.


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    Two thumbs up for being safe, revhigh. :)
     
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    uhh, i'm not sure how you're almost worn out at 25k miles. I'm at 40k miles and my S33B's still have a good 30% left and I run the OEM recommended psi. Maybe you need to layoff auto-crossing...

    I'd also recommend sticking to OEM size. I once did a +1 on old '05 and I took a 2-4mpg hit, might have been due to the sizing change 195/60 and also the tire compound (super sticky Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S). On my prius, i'm sticking to LRR (if possible) on 185/55, nothing else... precisely hoping to find the Michelin Energy Saver A/S when the time comes.

    I've done +1 and even +2s with crazy offsets and staggered setups on my previous cars (BMW and Hondas), but it makes no sense on the P.
     
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    LOL ... I just measured them and all four tires are 5/32 as measured with an actual tire measuring guage. They're shot. As I said ... I could continue using them, but I'm not going to very much longer.

    If you want them ... you're welcome to them.

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    5/32? You're better than me! That's 50% thread...new is 10/32. But I understand, safety is far more important than saving a buck here and there. I also tend to swap tires once I hit 2/32 since it doesn't rain here in socal...probably makes more sense to replace them earlier if it snowed or actually rained more than 1/2" a year.
     
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    Places like SoCal and Phoenix have it nice when it comes to tire choices and tire longevity. If I can make it through winter with more than 4/32 tread I will continue to run those tires until fall since we get zero rain in the summer. Usually!
     
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    We've got the OEM 17", and while I've never swapped to OEM 15", I have swapped to Michelin X-Ice in the stock 15" size, on steel Corrolla rims. I noticed no appreciable change in mileage, which maybe means the 17" penalty is comparable to swapping from OEM 15" to 15" snows, albeit a snow listed as LRR.