Thanks Doug, We have libraries in Huntsville but I only have check-out at the City library. As much as I love libraries, reading at home is considered by 'she who must be obeyed' . . . quality time. Huntsville libraries: Huntsville City - underfunded, they also house City records, they barely keep up with magazines and technical content is light. University of Alabama Huntsville - good technical, not great, requires a student ID to check out books. Alabama A&M - a historical black college, awesome collection of literature going back to the 1930-40s. Ok technical as they are the other engineering school but again, student ID required. Oakwood Seventh-Day Adventist - not really a technical school. Redstone Technical Library - AWESOME but a recent contract change means I have to find a NASA civil servant to sponsor my access . . . even to read what they have. If I had to choose were to spend my final days . . . it would be here (aka. Twilight Zone, "Time Enough to Last") I'm OK with sending the publisher a little money for the extra time it gives me to read the book. When I'm done, I'll let folks here know and see if any would like to borrow it. If not, I'll donate it to the city library. Bob Wilson
Being evil*, I now imagine Our Bob handing over his signed and annotated copy of this book to Dr. Roy Spencer in a locally televised ceremony. This could get local media coverage, because unless extreme** weather/climate events are happening. Huntsville, Alabama is a boring news venue. What does the local media cover there generally; cats stuck up in trees? Our Mojo could present his copies of Inhofe's book or the NIPPC report to some politician (Dana Rohrbacher comes to mind), but that local media market appears much tougher to crack. Things happen in San Francisco. Your pain; not mine. * your definition of evil may vary. ** your defintions of 'OK, that's extreme' and 'Uh, maybe that happened before' may vary.
Honor . You've shown respect for a dishonorable act. You dont have any respect for honor. You dont possess any honor. Theres no honor amongst Pseudo climate scientists or their cheerleader AGW groupies. Is it too much to ask that you honor the truth? If not ,then go f*** yourself.
1st Law- You can't win...you can only break even 2nd Law - You can only break even at absolute zero temperature 3rd Law - It is impossible to reach absolute zero temperature
Feeling a little panic: So it's really gotten your goat, too bad. As someone once said, facts have a liberal bias: Arctic shipping season still open: Yong Sheng arrived at Rotterdam Nordic Orion at Greenland after Arctic passage Stena Polaris left west-most, Norway port days ago NS Yakutia not reported in, yet Sea level rise still running about 3 mm/year I should have the book on Friday and a lot of time to read it next week. I paid nearly $100 for the paper book of which some part will go to the authors. I might consider giving copies to my brothers for Christmas . . . the honorable thing to do. Bob Wilson
Glad Im a leftist. Sad to be associated with a low life like you . Lie all you want . Lie to your hearts content. No honor for you.
Well this was unexpected: It never occurred to me that you might think I didn't buy the book: Source: e-mail from Amazon I checked the USPS tracking system and something with that number is in a Huntsville post office. Looks like a pretty good deal but feel free to check yourself. So how long have you been listening to the Aaron Alexis channel? You know in 2014, you'll be able to buy affordable healthcare and it also treats what bothered Aaron Alexis. Bob Wilson
If I had just started this thread with Inhofe's book being the 'go-to' for Earth system science, instead of that other one, we might now be in calmer waters. Read whatever suits you, lads and lassies. If you can find ideas and interpretations that hang together, so much the better. Bring any such consistencies up for discussion, and I hope that our PC will be a place for that to happen congenially. The zeroth law of thermo (from that book that now must not be mentioned) is pretty much like the transitive property y'all learned in algebra. Apparently it got labelled so because it was recognized first, but only got listed after 1,2,3, had taken their spots. I don't think that much hangs on that in Earth system science, but there ya go. Concerning the 'ostrich book' mentioned on page 1, I wouldn't buy it. Responses to dissimulation on this topic are free on the web. I would (and did) suggest you go to the library to read a text on Earth system science. Need not be this one. I don't care. Why? because we live here, and it is a useful subject to install in your already-busy minds. With the basics on board, much of the dissimulation just falls away
Let's just say that you don't want to read no stinkin' books. What you need is a website with nice graphics and click-choices and downloadable data. Gotcha covered: RSS / MSU and AMSU Data / Latest Temperatures Play time. Look at trends that can be attributed to radiometric T at different broad atmosphereic levels. See where they are going up (or down!). And wonder, how high does the 1998 signature (that magic ENSO year) go? Maybe also wonder, if solar irradiance were directly driving air T increases, at what atmospheric level would that be strongest. Hint: it isn't. In the good old days, Roy Spencer's website allowed you to do similar. But he has 'simplified his message'. Fortunately we still have SSMI. A product of federal research funding! YAY! The record is short because we did not start doing the radiometer thing until 1979. Best we keep doing it, or else we'll have to rely on pesky surface thermometers. In other words, keep putting up satellites even though they are not cheap.
An interesting thought, if posted on April 1: I'm amused by one of the other 'tells' of propagandists, the belief that some ideas are too dangerous to see or read. So when our good friend set 'his hair on fire' about this book, I was amused, more than a little amused, as he remains oblivious to the censor's paradox: The best way to boost readership is the attempt to censor some book, film or ideas. How does a censor watch 'corrupting' material and not get corrupted? The ACLU has often said the best defense against 'bad speech' is 'good speech' when they defend some pretty disreputable characters. That is pretty well my opinion about how public dialog should be conducted. To my amusement, our friend with the smoking hair remains a clueless, 'cut-and-paste' puppet of whatever strange demon drives him. Actually it was the Venus missions that established how a CO{2} atmosphere leads to plant-wide, global warming: Source: Missions to Venus and Mercury | The Planetary Society I was 12 back in 1962 and no one had a clue about earth CO{2} levels but soon enough . . . So I'm fairly calm about denier posted nonsense . . . regardless of how they rant, rave and babble. Arguing against gravity, is a reminder that our species is barely out the Dark Ages. A thin veneer of culture is all that separates empiricism from those who use 'other means' to deal with reality. Regardless, the book should be here later today. I have no idea how good or bad it might be as much as a basic review, a collection of the studies about our climate . . . ideas toxic to our friend with his hair on fire. But like the would be censors of the past, over reacting to what they lack the skills or understanding to address on their own. You know 'Mojo' of the 'hair on fire' tribe should probably get a copy of the book. I'm in the habit of posting quotes with footnotes citing specific pages and passages. He might want to have the same book to cite any counter assertions found in the same source. Then he won't have to search furiously for something to paste but could make an original contribution. . . . Now there's a thought. Bob Wilson
The book arrived and the preface indicates this should meets my expectations. This is an undergraduate text book for a basic science course focused on climate change. Chapter 1 is more historical than instructive but a good start. It is probably filler for the first day when the students and instructors are working out the logistics and name tags. I was expecting more methodology but we'll see how things develop. Chapter 2 has a lot more meat. A lot of it is review but nice to have it in one source. Starting to find new stuff: Source: Wiki from a reference in Chapter 2 I had never considered that in some circles this would not be presumed to be true but it has been a long, long time since I was in vacation Bible school. Chapter 3 has this interesting passage (pp. 55): source: Ibid Science is not a popularity contest . . . folks can vote that pi is exactly 3 but that doesn't make it so. This chapter also lists the history of anthrocentric, global warming researchers and papers. I did not realize it dates back to the 1800 and early 1900s. In particular, Svante Arrhenius and early carbon dioxide lab studies: source: Ibid, pp. 69 The reason this section is important as it lays the foundation needed for an earth-wide, climate model. Understanding these physical laws and characteristics is key to understanding the basis of credible, climate model. Bob Wilson
Finally, finished the first read. It certainly is a typical, undergraduate text book: each chapter introduces the terms to master - a road map for what a student needs to learn important points are repeated throughout book - each time described in different words relating to current subject matter broad coverage and current to 2012 and early 2013 - Russia's Lake El'gygtgyn published 2012 in 'Science' each chapter ends with at least a half-page of references Now I've always approach Global Warming from my mechanical engineering background. What I didn't know before: black-body radiation analysis - Chapter 4, pp. 81-95. I was aware of the physics but not this application. "Land Temperatures from Boreholes", Chapter 5.7, pp. 107-108. "Energy Balance Models", Chapter 18.3.2, pp. 365-367. For those who are immersed in climate and environmental studies, this book might be 'too simple.' But in my case, this undergraduate book fleshes out unfamiliar subject areas. For example, my mechanical engineering studies never included flora and pollen studies. Biology was not something I considered terribly interesting but the relevant chapters made a good effort at introducing both pollen, plankton, and flora. I'm in a better position to understand the technology and analysis of lake, sea, and ice cores. So did I get $100 worth of information? Well our cable TV bill is about $90/month and though I have to share programming with my wife (and the dogs,) I don't remember seeing as much information about Global Warming as found in this book. Unlike TV programs, having a written record with extensive bibliography gives pointers to follow-up. Bob Wilson ps. If you have an interest in borrowing this book, send me a PM with a postal address. Please include a brief description of how we can make sure the book gets "loaned" again . . . propose a refundable "book deposit?" It is 485 pages so I'm going to suggest 45 days should be a reasonable holding period. Otherwise, I'll probably donate it to the Huntsville City library.
Well the book is "loaned out." It turns out one of the bar tenders has a degree in forest management and had done a couple of seasons at Yellow Stone. So I went out the car and brought in the book. As I told him, it is text for an undergraduate course so there is no rush on returning it. I also mentioned this friend I know doing forest research in China . . . Bob Wilson ps. Turns out we share the same opinion about FOXholes.
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This online course MITx: 12.340x: Global Warming Science | edX will be free, open to auditors (slackers ) , and will have lecture materials posted online. If the words "partial differential equations" do not fill you with dread, it may be interesting. The posted material might serve as a text for those interested. One might have chosen a course title lacking the word 'warming' but that's Emanuel's call.