The Lexus LS 600h L has nothing to envy to the Mercedes S-Class. In fact, the new flagship from Toyota's premium division can even have the better of it! In most cases, the LS 600h L will serve as an "executive car" for renowned politicians, company presidents and other larger-than-life individuals. These VIPs will sit in a supremely spacious environment that's even more comfortable than their own private jet. Tucked in a heated/air-conditioned rear seat with ottoman, they will be able to recline the seatback, rest their feet and enjoy a shiatsu massage... provided that the car is equipped with the Premium Executive Package, of course. Full Article
You don't think a 4500 lb sedan with V12 performance getting mid 20s MPG is efficient? S600s get 10 MPG if they're lucky.
No I don't. Toyota made this for the same reason Honda made the "Accord V6 Hybrid" that gets only 32mpg...... they were stupid. The 600h only gets 23mpg on the highway. It has to pay the $1000 gas-guzzler tax. Heck even the Dodge Challenger V8 muscle car does better than that! +2mpg better
How well does the Challenger do 80-120km/h passing? Specifically, how many gears does it need to downshift to access any of that V8 power?
Who cares? The point is a HYBRID has to pay a gas-guzzler tax and a V8 muscle car does not. The V8 muscle is more fuel-economic than a hybrid! (I never thought I'd see that happen.)
Keep calm, because it is not. Mileage combined: Overview: Lexus - LS600h - Spritmonitor.de (12.7l/100km = 18.5MPG) Overview: Dodge - Challenger - Spritmonitor.de (13.48l/100km = 17.4MPG)
Deuschland? Where VW lives? No let's look at OFFICIAL figures from the U.S. government. Here the Lexus LS hybrid has to pay a $1000 "gas guzzler" tax because it's only 23 combined MPG while the Challenger 6.4 is 25 combined. In other words my statement that a V8 muscle car scores higher than a hybrid was correct. BTW I testdrove the Lexus LS hybrid a few days ago. It's definitely designed to be a limo for rich people. It had a TV in the back for watching videos, a small refrigerator for food, and a table for holding your wine glass. The driving experience had zero fun (no rumble from the V8 even when pushed). The CVT never let the engine go higher than 5000rpm. No savings either since my MPG was below 20.
Spritmonitor holds the mileage registers of real people, like Fuelly site. No VW cheating, just your skewed opinion. Let me know if Fuelly gets much different MPG averages on both cars registers, prove me I'm wrong.
ONLY RESULTS FROM CONTROLLED LABORATORY TESTING ARE VALID. This is a good rule-of-thumb for all things in life (i.e. medical testing shows cholesterol causes artery disease, so stop eating cholesterol). In the case of cars and MPGs, only results from the EPA and EU government can be considered impartial & fair for comparison across vehicles. The EPA has found IN THE LAB that the Lexus V8 Hybrid is 2 mpg worse than the Challenger 6.4 muscle car. End of discussion; it's science & you can't disagree with science (unless you're a Flat Earther or similar type). LOL
So...EPA is correct, or your MPG? Frankly, no need to SHOUT statements. I still can read without glasses. Civic and Fusion EPA ratings were reviewed after real world MPG, there goes the "science"... And about EU? What do you know about NEDC? Give me a break. Science is a very interesting matter. Don't bring it down please.
Hmm, "science" you say. VW diesels pass the official "scientific" emissions test. I wonder if the rules say the vehicle has to perform at a certain level on the road, or just on the "scientific" test? Ford seems to be very good at performing well on the official MPG tests, not so well in the real world. I'm very impressed with the engineering skill that goes into beating the intent of official "scientific" tests.
So the reason that after testing in the labs companies put their products out in alfa and beta testing for real world uses is not valid? Not in my many many years of producing products for critical uses. Customers can find ways even our most instrumented tests wouldn't find. And we spent several times as much time and money in testing as we did for development. I'll grant that most EPA numbers are derived from in the lab testing (some are just computationally derived). And EPA has revised the tests when they didn't meet real world results. Just as car manufacturers have been forced to do.
