@hill Usually I agree with you, but where is the evidence they will compete on infrastructure? And lip service doesn't count. You know well enough that lip service from any of these companies is near worthless.
THAT's the great chicken & egg dilemma .... EV's 1st - or chargers A handful of us see cars on the road .... but no one's posting anything about any construction permits/ land leasees / monster transformer orders etc for their needed infrastructure. Following tesla growth (slow) over the first 2 years, the supercharger network began, but it in no way outpaced car production. VW, on the other hand, has to pony up billions in EV infrastructure costs due to the huge dieselgate fines. So their infrastructure creation is like someone holding a gun to their head. The fines in a way are a form of evidence that it's coming. Sure, it may be a slow process like Tesla's was, but Porsche's product - if the sales are there, may hopefully push infrastructure along just as Tesla sales eventually began to do. .
My reservation remains in spite of the new delivery delays, so I am keeping an open mind. In the many photos I've seen so far, front-end views simply aren't aesthetically appealing.
Yeah, some of the photos, taken with potato cameras, are not particularly complimentary. If you haven't done so, see the car in person. It takes on a whole new character. If you like the Panamera front end, you will like the model 3 front end in person. I didn't like the Prius Gen III design at first, but it grew on me. My reservation has just been pushed back by as much as 3 months. That is okay with me, since Tesla will have more time to update software and work out the kinks in a new design. Good things happen to those who wait.
Lip service is pretty easy to do....ask certain members on this site. How is their charging infrastructure coming along?
yep, there's a lot of hype in the industry, but tesla is the only one moving forward, with nissan lagging way behind.
Said it before, will say it again and again I'm sure....charging infrastructure is EVERYTHING. The problem is, it's extremely hard for people to understand this until they live with an EV for a while.
for long term adoption rates, i agree. fortunately, there are third party installers as well. someday, the government might get a clue. for now, many of us will be happy just charging at home.
In the near future you might choose your hotel by whether it has a charging station or not. These hotels will offer you a continental breakfast, free internet and a free charge. lol Why hotels are charging up for electric vehicles | JLL Real Views Kind of like the field of dreams movie, "If we build it they will come".
yeah, that would be perfect for traveling. we're tied into marriott, and they are way behind the curve, even though they are mentioned in the article, i have never seen a charger on property. someone mentioned a couple in san diego, i think. might have to switch allegiance someday.
Have you ever been on a trip and not being able to find gasoline even crossed your mind. I had it happen once two weeks after Katrina hit we were on vacation and were headed toward Pensacola Florida and the word was gas supplies were interrupted over a large area. Louisiana was the state most think about when you mention hurricane Katrina but hey we were in Florida right. We had zero trouble getting gas in Pensacola and I should have filled up first thing in the morning but I had enough gas to last until it was time for lunch so I thought I will fuel up then. We left Pensacola as planned and got out on that barrier island that runs along the gulf and headed east. I started looking for gas but the first gas station was closed, no big deal. Drove a little farther and that station was closed. We stopped at an IHOP and the waiter said Walmart down the road always had gas and they did. The moral of this story is that when the infrastructure for EV is at the point you don't have to even think about it the EV wins.
Around here, the Chevy, BMW, Nissan, VW and Tesla dealers have charging stations. As a matter of fact, the Chevy parts manager told me that just the other day, he came in early and there was a woman that had her Leaf plugged in while she was drinking her coffee and reading a book, even though the Nissan dealer was less than a mile further down.
Let me know how that 6 kW charger works out on a long road trip. Even the DC fast stations that Chargepoint has are only up to 50kW. That's not acceptable for longer road trips.
Reports are in. Model 3 charges the lower 45% (then it begins to taper) at 116kW's. Back-of-the-napkin, that's about a 150 miles in 15 minutes! Sweet!
Yep, a plug in makes a ton of sense, especially until the charging infrastructure gets much better....and/or Tesla's get cheaper (and more available)
Tesla clearly has the best DC charging network - speed and options. Whats’s more, they can use other networks like CHAdeMO with an adapter. Not sure if they have a CCS adapter yet. Personally, my long range driving limit is 400 miles and much prefer to fly longer distances. The Midwest and South is a no-go, but CHAdeMO is pretty robust on the west coast so a 2018+ Leaf is a good one car household vehicle option for some. Bolt may work for others. That’s only one doable DC charge in each direction (eat, pit stop, etc) and easy destination charging on the other end.
Well, Tesla's EV sales are 100% of their business, so they don't have much of a choice in building an infrastructure.
