No red triangle for me. @bisco how many maximum EV miles are you down to now? Tesla GUARANTEES a minimum of 70% of battery pack after 10 years otherwise full replacement! But we all know that Toyota has better quality and warranty than Tesla, right?
how does tesla/customer agree on that determination? i'm at 15 out of 17 miles original, so about 15% loss after 6 years and 35,000 ev miles out of 55,000 total. keep in mind, ev miles are based on speed, acceleration, topography, weather, number of stops and starts and etc.
A few weeks ago or so I copied/pasted a graph showing capacity loss for Tesla traction packs. some of the early 85 KW Model S's have crossed the 300k mile mark, with many others over 200k - 250k miles. The graph shows an average of less than 20% loss - even out over 150K miles iirc. I'll see if I can find it. It's pretty reassuring. EDIT; here's a similar article about a 1/2 year ago pointing out the same robust dynamic. Tesla battery predicted to have 80% capacity after 840,000 km (521,000 mi) .
Speaking to battery loss only, I think the difference here is one uses a TMS and the other doesn't (a "real one" that is).
It all goes back to company credibility. I've had a 45% traction battery degradation in my PIP in ~60K miles.
Most Prius Plug-in drivers cycle their battery deeper each day. Some cycle 100% useable capacity at least once a day. Also, inland empire is very hot. Both things not friendly to the little air cooled battery.
according to one of the drill down links in my prior post, lithium traction packs - whether or not the car is used at all, will lose a couple % every year. So after 20 years for example, you'd be down 40%. Use-it-or-lose-it.. .
We plug ours in every night to a full charge every morning. We drive at least 15 miles every day (the original capacity of the traction battery) and deplete the battery by the end of the day. Yes, we get wild temperature swings here during the seasons. The weather is mostly mild but we can get 100+ during the summer and down to 20 during the winter. Tesla recommends a maximum of 80/85% charge for daily driving. Only charge to 100% when departing on a long trip when battery will be depleted to 10/20% before recharging.
if i can keep my tesla 80% charged, while only driving 10 miles per day, and only have the degradation hill mentions, i will be very happy.
Seldom if ever do we charge the better ½'s tesla above 150 miles (60%) simply because she seldom if ever, drives more than 50 miles/day. Only during the 3 long distance trips we did - over the past 16 months, going round-trip over 1,000 miles did we ever charge up to 250 miles - during meals. The nice thing about NOT charging up that last 20+ % is that the supercharger will be blazing fast up that point. But heck, if you're chowing down anyway, & it takes more time to pick up that extra 20%? No big deal, at least for our few interstate trips. .
Any car is too expensive for some. Heck - the i.s. series Lexus is too expensive for many middle incomer folk ... but thanks for the bit o' wisdom anyway. On a much less obvious note .... an online journalist recently grabbed a screenshot for a head engineer job slot, for the model 'Y' program .... even as the Model 3 production picks up speed. Don't know if the spot was quickly filled or what - but the help wanted ad was pulled down within no time at all - good thing the journalist was quick thinking, or most would never have seen the job post; Exciting times! .
Yes and no. No, a model 3 with a couple of options is priced at the entry level of a luxury automobile. Many people can afford that and the marketplace will respond to that demand. And yes, the world needs an entry level EV that almost anyone with a basic job can afford. Tesla is not the company that will fill that demand. My guess is that this demand will be filled by a company from China or India. To put things in perspective, my 6 year old Prius plug-in with AT had a sticker price about $5000 more than a base price model 3 that has 10 times more features than my Prius. A Prius is too expensive for some.
That's largely a personal assessment, but I agree with the expensive nomenclature (my income has fallen off a cliff after client losses, sustained injuries, failing health), yet I'm still up for one (I'm fortunate enough to be receiving familial help, otherwise I'd have to drive this current Prius into the ground).
I have to say I have seen a ton of no plate Model 3 on the roads in Orange County. It's like seeing Prius everywhere. What I have noticed is that they are driven fast. I even saw a yellow one.
