Replaced fender liner, so so fit

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  1. pasadena_commut

    pasadena_commut Senior Member

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    On a recent trip a hole was torn in the driver's side front fender liner. So today I replaced it with one of these:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/175380608951

    When first shipped it only came with some screw retainer's (PNG-CLIP002), but when notified the vendor quickly shipped a pack of compatible clips (in a bag hand labeled PNG-CLIP006) and another bag of slightly larger diameter clips with a printed label PNG-CLIP007.

    Jacked up the car, removed the tire, removed the old liner. Every single push clip broke. Noticed that it had some sort of papery, almost diaper like, lining on the top. The new one is just plastic, no lining. Removed the air dam (had to snap off the odd plastic rivets inside of the two screws.) Bolted the air dam onto the new liner. Left the two spaces between the screws empty as I didn't have any fasteners similar to the old ones. (What do people put in those center holes???)

    First problem - the hole which goes into a flattened S shaped clip on the bottom, just in front of the wheel, was about 4 mm too far posterior. I had to use a file to extend the hole forward far enough so that the screw would go through it and that S shaped clip would close. After that it pretty much just went back together, replacing all the broken plastic fasteners with new ones. Mostly the fit was OK. The parts which were supposed to be on top were, the parts which were supposed to be on the bottom (inside the fender) were as well. However, there were gaps at the front and the rear between the liner and the metal. In the rear the liner seemed to be a hair too small, so that it made sort of straight line connections between the fasteners. In the front the gap was lateral - the liner is more or less in the right place, but it is displaced a few mm towards the center of the car. To be fair, the original liner was also displaced a little at the front, just not as much. Is there some trick to making that part fit? It is a long way from the clip at the top of the wheel well to the aforementioned S shaped clip, with no other clips in between. There are a couple of other holes in the new one towards the motor side that don't line up with any holes. Not sure what those are for.

    So, overall, pretty good fit, but not perfect. I worry that the force on the gap at the rear may break those clips eventually. Can a liner by stretched a little, permanently, like with a heat gun? If I find myself in the pick a part for some other reason I may look for a stock liner. Otherwise this will do for now.
     

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    IMHO, I'd send it back. I've also ripped a hole on my drivers side fender liner. I got mine from Amazon and it was a perfect fit.

    Just my 2 cents....
     
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    Look up genuine Toyota liner and fasteners on parts.toyota website? It should see your location and show links to nearby dealerships, with their prices.
     
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    OEM is $85 to $113 (plus 10% CA tax) depending on dealer. I have bought plastic bits like this before online and they fit OK. Not so this time. Since I made a hole in it I don't think I can sent it back. Apparently they can be stretched if warmed up with a heat gun. That might fix the back, not so sure about the front.

    Come to think of it, isn't there supposed to be a little 1.5"-2" or so high skinny rubbery plastic air dam that runs under the front bumper near the back end of it? I vaguely recall that there was one when I bought the car, but there isn't one now.
     
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    Grocery shopping this morning there was another Gen 2 a couple of slots over. It had the same front gap in the driver's side liner as my original liner did, and there was no sign of an air dam under the bumper. No gap on the passenger side. I'm beginning to wonder if something about the fender, bumper, or other underbody plastic shifts a bit as these cars age, leading to that drivers side liner gap. (I'm assuming that they didn't come from the factory like that.)
     
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    Dude, your story is my story. I had a very similar experience when I ran over the tread of a blown truck tire on the 134/5 interchange. I was too busy avoiding the veering truck to miss the remnants of its tire. It wrapped itself around my tire and ripped the liner right out of the car. It took a small bit of my front bumper too. I called around to the local dealers and nobody had a liner at that time. So I checked ebay and saw one like you bought. It was, as you described, missing parts. I actually went back to the interchange and found what was left of my liner to salvage parts. I did not find it the day of the incident despite looking.

    The lack of the insulation on the top of the ebay replacement liner made it nosier and the fit was awful. It was "nah Scottish."(it was crap)
    As I recall, I think the middle holes you asked about filled with were rivets that held a backing plate.

    I went back to Ebay and bought a used part that was an actual Toyota part for ~$35. It was in pretty fair shape and fit FAR better.

    The missing bit of my front bumper included the connection to the wheel well liner and so that has never connected up correctly. I am thinking of drilling a couple of holes and using fender clips to hold it better. But at the moment i am dealing with a leak in the inverter-transaxle coolant loop that is quickly getting worse now. So the fender issue will wait.

    Interesting thing I noticed once this happened to me is that you see wheel well liners all over the sides of the freeway like discarded junk food containers. (humans are such slobs!, no offense to y'all) I never noticed them specifically before, they were just part of the general roadside detritus. But now when I look at the roadside rubbish I spot them and when stuck in traffic I start counting them. Bumper covers are similar but less common.

    Go back to Ebay and get a used genuine article if you don't want to pay the full bucket price. As always on Ebay: caveat emptore.

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    Just drill some small holes in the lower bumper lip; then zip-tie everything together. If you ever need to get in there again, just cut the zip-ties. It beats paying $5 for one of those Toyota plastic clip/rivet.....

    Just my 2 cents...
     
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    When I looked today the used OEM ones on ebay started at around $110 (including shipping) and went up from there. If their web site does not lie is would only be $82 plus tax from Puente Hills Toyota. (The other dealers are more.)

    https://parts.puentehillstoyota.com/p/Fender-Splash-Shield-Left--Front/63164135/5387647020.html?referer=parts.toyota.com&machineIDT1=crtnnxruv5apcpinkvqivpou

    I don't know what these cost at pick a part, it isn't listed under any obvious name, but a whole fender is $82, so presumably less. The closest thing I could find was a mud flap, which is $8. I'm guessing the liner shouldn't be more more than $30-$40.
     
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    Is there a diagram somewhere of the types and locations of all the fasteners for this liner? On mine, on the flap that goes out to the bumper, it is roughly rectangular, with a fastener in each corner. Let's call these "ABCD", going clockwise around the section (as if looking down on it from the top of the car), with A being the one closest to the front driver's corner. Two of those (B,D) are screws into the flattened S shaped retainers, more or less like this:

    https://www.clipsandfasteners.com/Fender-Wheel-Housing-Nylon-U-Nuts-p/pas1601-15.htm

    The other two (A,C) look like this (but smaller head, wider barbs. and black):

    https://www.clipsandfasteners.com/Toyota-Headliner-Retainers-90467-05164-E2-p/a21332.htm

    The barbed fasteners connect the liner to the bumper in one case, and to another plastic shield in the other. They are both floating, that is, they connect to another piece of plastic, but to nothing solid. I think these may be aftermarket fasteners - when I got the car (used) it was missing quite a few fasteners, and I had my mechanic "replace" them. They probably used whatever they had on hand.. I wonder if that last fastener (C) is actually supposed to plug into something solid, so now it lets that corner sag (it is just in front of the tire, inboard side) which tilts that front section of the liner towards the inside of the car, and that might in turn open up the gap at the front of the wheel well. I need to try lifting at C to see if it closes the front gap.

    Edit: Shoved up on C and it seems to have pushed into a hole in something solid. But it didn't close the front gap at all. There is no hole in the liner near the gap which could be used to shove it over. There is a metal flange from the fender (or some other body part) a few inches behind it, with a hole in it. The flange is perpendicular to the liner. Something could be rigged probably to lever off of that, but it might just bend the metal eventually.
     
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    Just drill some small holes in the lower bumper lip; then zip-tie everything together. If you ever need to get in there again, just cut the zip-ties. It beats paying $5 for one of those Toyota plastic clip/rivet.....

    Just my 2 cents...


    Yep this has been my inclination. I have bought several variety packs and individual packs of those clips and rarely are they quite the same /as good as the original.
    I am pretty busy at work this week but I''ll try to get a look at my fender a bit closer to compare to the photos and descriptions of Pasadena's
    description.

    For what it is worth, when I order parts on line from dealers, I find that North Hollywood Toyota has pretty good prices for parts. I went to Pasadena Toyota and got a bunch of lip when I tried to by some transmission fluid. They did not want to sell it to me unless/until I brought the car in for servicing. They have been sending me emails about it since they did a partial warranty replacement of my 12V battery a while back. I guess now I am in their system. I was baffled and annoyed by this behavior as it was very out of character for this dealership. In the past, while there has never been a discount from MSRP, they at least have been helpful at sorting exactly which part number is what I wanted I for a repair. So the order for that trans fluid and other bits and bobs went to North Hollyweird Toyota. I drive by there on my way to work often enough it's no big deal to stop in grab and go.

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