Hybrid System Warning - Help Troubleshooting

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  1. TBiscuit

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    Good day to you all - long time lurker and Gen 3 owner. I have two 2010s.

    Issue: Gen3 2010 with 180k had a dead 12v. When jumped got a hybrid system system warning.
    Replaced 12v with OEM from dealer. Started right up and then later that day warning appeared while driving.
    The next day the battery was dead, but readily took a jump and has been fine since even though it is not driven much.

    *disclaimer* I do not understand electronics very much, so I am only putting our raw info without really being able to interpret much of it. I have a basic Klein multimeter. That's why I'm here asking for guidance.

    First, I looked for parasitic draw by testing the fuse connections when car off and found:
    1) ABS main no. 2 was drawing 0.3 mV or 30mA
    2)P/I 2 relay (40A) was drawing 1.27V
    3) 12v battery had 0.17A resting draw when touching negative terminal to ground.

    I have had no more dead batter issues and the hybrid warning has been intermittent since then.

    I pulled codes with Car scanner and have seen a series of peculiar DTCs as well as a couple equipment specific codes.

    Also, once while driving on the highway, the car went into failsafe after warning appeared and went away with a restart. I drove about 100 miles after that with no problem. When I started it again later that day after the trip, warning came back. Typically this is what I am seeing: starts up fine, drives fine, and then when I start it up again later that day I get a code, but no detectable performance issues.


    Here are the various revolving DTCs I have been getting during this timeframe:
    P2532: lgnition switch, ON position - circuit high (had this one twice)
    I tested according to Chilton at the IG2 ground short test: got 6.88v to ground on IG2 at the Power Management Control ECU wire harness pins behind the glove box. Then removed IG2 relay and got 5.8V. Then a P lock malfunction so I'm trying to resolve that now. At same time, tested 12v battery and got 12.5V when positive was unplugged.

    P3107: Air bag ECU or communication circuit fault; airbag ECU communication circuit malfunction

    P261B: coolant pump motor B - control circuit range/performance (I only got this once, but I bought the replacement just in case given age of car, and when driving car scanner will not show any RPM from engine water pump even when temp exceeds 210-220 (I did not push it beyond this). It also may be a circuit issue not showing the actual pump RPM given all these communication issues.

    P0A0F: Hybrid drive system - engine failed to start


    U0100: Data bus, ECM A - no communication (every time)
    U0129: Data bus, brake system control module - no communication (every time)
    U0293: lost communication with hybrid powertrain control module (every time)
    U0164: Data bus, AC control module - no communication
    U0155: Data bus, instrumentation control module - no communication
    U0151: data bus, supplemental restraint system (SRS) control module - no communication

    B2282: power source control (twice)
    B2312 (electric window rear left and rear right doors)
    B1423: open pressure sensor circuit / abnormal refrigerant pressure (progr, rx3)

    These ABS codes have been constant:

    ABS Control Unit 2:
    C0210: rear wheel speed sensor malfunction (cald, cam, del.)
    C1238: sensor circuit (MR) speed sensor rotor / right rear (cel.)
    C1241: IG power source circuit (MR, cel.)

    Here are some concerns I have:
    Rodents are a possibility and have been in cabin air filter in the past, but not much this year if at all. I cannot see chewed wires, but imagine that would not cause intermittent issues.

    Discovered that the driver side plastic fender liner has been missing unnoticed. I am in New England with salt, sand, wetness and wonder if this is due to corrosion or dirty contacts around wires new engine bay fuse box. Any advise on how to safely clean this and look for issues would be appreciated as I wait for a new fender liner to arrive.

    As noted above, when driving with the car scanner app running I do not see any water pump RPM, but not sure this is a genuine reading given the electrical issues present.

    Any troubleshooting guidance would be appreciated. As I said, I have an identical Prius if swapping the power management ECU as a test could be done, or the IG2 relay or anything else within reason.

    Thanks! Aren't these cars fun? Incredibly reliable until this instance.
     
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    A few others was more Gen 3 experience and so on will be along in just a minute but that P261B you should be able to command that pump to on from well designed automotive software not just Toyotas with that being not being able to happen I would wonder if your electric water pump impeller is scaling and failing The only way to check that is to undo it and I would be doing that very quickly if I couldn't command that pump on like you say you can't or you can't see the RPM or something along those lines running the car to 220 or whatever that's wonderful how are you stopping from getting over to 240 or 2:50 stop driving the car? Or you're watching software and switching to EV only mode or I don't have a clue but you want to get that resolved pretty swiftly other things and these other codes can be communication issues because of the 12 volt battery or one thing setting off another thing and all of that in sequence I see you have wheel sensor codes and possible ABS codes you need to look at that very carefully in the generation 3 there's two expensive parts still totaling about 12 to 1400 bucks so very similar to cost as models previous just two pieces to install they do fail in this model and seemingly quite regularly but then there's all kinds of other engine problems so you want to really think about how you're going to go about moving forward It can be very costly and you wind up with no vehicle in your wallet very soft.
     
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    Have you tried charging the 12v battery for 8-12 hours at 4 amps or less?
    The dealer doesn't keep them charged. So it may be charged just enough to
    sometimes ready the car, but the system doesn't charge it up enough to fully
    charge it. That would be the first and easiest thing to do.

     
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    I will first try out my OBD reader on my (I think) fully functioning Gen 3 to see if it if reads the water pump RPMs. Then I will need to research software that can command the pump on. I'll take any recommendations on software - thanks!
     
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    I believe I did this overnight when it died immediately after installing. I should try it again. So much of what I read about with these issues seem to come back to low charge of the 12V. However, I am a bit concerned by my parasitic draw test result and the test result on the IG2 ECM pins showing that it was drawing voltage when off. Wondering if there is an underlying issue, but have no idea how to sort out troubleshooting. The Chilton manual just says to start replacing the ECM, the wiring harness, and then the relay (last LOL).
     
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    Toyota tech stream Is the preferred software to deal with Toyota vehicles I think Autel scanners from version 5 or 6 to present 8 can do . I'm sure it's possible a few of the Mac and snap-on scanners may be able to and they're probably some Chinese fakes that can do it but you'd have to have your hands on them and try them and they can be costly to just be buying to see returns on electronics can be tricky so if you can borrow a tech setup . It will do it and you'll be able to run the test you need and be done with it.
     
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    UPDATE:

    Fully charged the battery and struggled to get the engine to start, but once I got it in maintenance mode I was able to drive. The same communication codes are being shown, and the IG2 tests still show 4.5 v from the ECU harness IG2 pin to ground with the IG2 relay removed, so I don’t think it is the relay.

    I also confirmed that the Car Scanner app doesn’t have the ability to read water pump RPM, so not sure the water pump is broken. HOWEVER, after driving a little bit, I opened the hood and heard that the water pump was running long after the car stopped. I made sure it was the pump by yanking the w/p relay.

    Any ideas what could be causing these communication errors? Could it be wire damage by rodents? Could it be debris on wiring due to the missing fender liner? I need help and I know the stealership won’t do the hard tests. They’ll just start swapping expensive parts until they can’t solve it.
     
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    Maybe you'll get a scanner and get some p codes all these maintenance mode codes I don't know that any of these by heart in the codes that get thrown up on the center display don't know any of those bike looking at them once you get it capable scanner you'll get p codes and codes and b codes and so on and so forth All these things that pop up on your display I don't know anything about those other people here might. You do need a capable 12 volt battery usually communication errors are caused by things not being able to communicate one of the good reasons for that might be not enough voltage or you got volts and no amps.