Featured Federal EV fees

Because we need to punish anyone and everyone who disagrees with massive and total fossil fool industry dominance so we can destroy the planet as quickly as possible, while also killing as many people as possible with air pollution. Not too mention the importance of getting poor people to pay more taxes so rich people don't have to pay taxes anymore.

And even more stupidly, how are they going to collect this fee? This isn't an IRS job... They'll literally require a whole new bureaucracy to makes these charges unless they require the states to do it for them and most states will collect that money and hold onto it until all the funds that Trump unlawfully took away from states are released.

Seriously, the level of cluster*uckery going on right now unbelievable!!! The level of incompetence and massive over-spending while claiming they're firing tens of thousands in government is has almost no equivalent:

"Despite promises to cut spending during the campaign and his first few months in office, President Trump's federal government has spent about $220 billion more in his first 100 days compared to the same time period last year. In fact, the government is now spending more, day to day, than was spent in nine of the last 10 years. The exception: 2021, when the government was spending trillions to fight the coronavirus pandemic and prevent an economic disaster." Despite Trump's promised cuts, U.S. spent about $220 billion more in first 100 days than last year - CBS News

 

Sounds like it'll be a ridiculous bargain for truckers, which do the most damage to the roads. Maybe that's still going to get hammered out, if anything ever even comes from it at all.

 

Does this include or exclude the 100+ billion that recently went missing from DOGE? That's after all the savings from laying-off all those federal employees in droves.......

The politico article stated that the states would collect the federal tax through annual DMV registrations. Don't know how states that don't have annual registrations will handle it. Besides; I thought that all these tariffs, on other countries goods, would be generating a bunch of revenue for the Feds. Just like Mexico was going to build the wall - it worked last time.........

 

The numbers DOGE are claiming are constantly going down. Their fake claims of saving money is actually barely in the handful of billions range and once you figure out the cost of lost money due to judges ordering the most of the workers be rehired because the president didn't have the authority to fire the majority of them, you're talking about them costing the taxpayer more money than saving the taxpayer.

What's more this administration is already being ruled against in 94% of the legal claims against them in court... There's never been an administration that has failed this bad over the the course of 4 to 8 years and he's done it in only 100 days.

 

The approach is certainly not well thought out.
The impact on the road surface of a 3,500 pound vehicle is the same for an electric vehicle as for a gasoline or diesel vehicle.

The fee must be collected for the weight of the vehicle daily.

 

Bitch because Legislative wants to tax us more...and bitch because the Executive want to cut waste.

 

More ways of screwing the little people to finance tax cuts for the billionaires.

 

Yeah if they want to level this out properly the class 8 truck fee should be between 9000-10,000x as much as the regular car fee. So maybe $200k per year per semi truck?

...and if BEV cars are taxed at 5x the fossil rate, then a BEV semi truck should generate a cool million a year in tax revenue.

But that's all just games. This bill isn't going anywhere. Even if it does get anywhere it won't look even remotely similar when it comes out.

 

This is being pushed back against and wouldn't go on until 2030 in any case. Trying to make the numbers look good over a ten year period is an old trick. Load all the objectionable stuff in the period after the next election.

 

Your second point is entirely false... Republican presidents have a long history of boosting spending in ways that creates fraud and waste. Democratic presidents on the other hand have a long history of being way more financially responsible and eliminating rather than creating waste. Of course the truth and facts doesn't matter if you're a Republican anymore, it's just all about lies and oppression at all costs with zero accountability.

 

Do you have a list of those states?

Not that I am for this bill...but the states would gladly collect it since the money would go to the feds who would then send some (most?) back to the states for highway maintenance.

Mike

 

Of course, the cost of anything shipped by truck (about everything) would go up.
I am actually in favor of some bigger taxes on "heavy" trucks, of all kinds, just not anywhere near this amount

Mike

 

Road repair money has to come from somewhere.
At least I think it does

Mike

 

It shouldn't be taken as a complete or serious proposal.

The point of it is that it has been proven that heavy trucks damage the roads approximately 10,000:1 as much as passenger vehicles. So if we wanted to apply a road maintenance tax fairly, it would necessarily fall very heavily on trucks.

As a practical matter? Maybe it shouldn't be fair- but is important to remember that if we choose not to fairly burden the trucking industry, it is a de facto subsidy and needs to be accounted for as such.

Truckers love to remind consumers that everything they buy got trucked there. But they'd do well to remember that those car-driving consumers literally paved the way for them.

 

All tax revenue goes into the general fund; then all monies and some IOU's are allocated in the annual budget.
Unless the LAW is written so that these new taxes can ONLY go towards road infrastructure cost - it's a simple tax increase where the money can go anywhere!!! The EV not paying gasoline taxes is simply the excuse used to justify tax increases. I don't believe for a minute that they will ever rescind a tax. Can anyone name any tax measure that's been rescinded; not expire or illegal; where some other tax didn't replace it?
I recall the ballot initiative to allow our state lottery - those monies was going to fund our crumbling schools. Well the promises was kept, lottery money goes to schools; but the state legislature cut school funding by an equal amount. In other words, there was NO win-fall or extra funding for our school system. In fact; they're still asking voters to approve multi-million/billion dollar bond measures for deferred maintenance.

It's difficult trying to get voters like me, who remember history to approve increase taxes......... Just my 2-cents...

I'm not going to look that up; but I know in the past that in some low population states only required a car to be registered - if that's still the case, I don't know and not curious enough to do the research. Fun fact; these are also the states that get a lot more money from the feds than they pay the feds.

 

They actually don't plan/think this stuff out, that's what bureaucrats do and because they think bureaucrats are the enemies they're going to find out what their lack of information earns them the hard way. As in they don't know enough about how the system works to pass legislation that actually functions.

 

Guess I got this up just in time:

• 30 kWh first day solar production, April 30, 2025:
  • 30 kWh * 5 mi/kWh = 150 miles around town, unused accumulates
  • 30 kWh * 4 mi/kWh = 120 miles highway travel, departure and arrival home segments
• Grid charges $0.12/kWh
  • $3.60 / day maximum savings around town
    • ~$1,315 / year savings around town
  • $7.20 departure and arrival segments
    • ~$72 / year savings for 10 out of town trips
• "EV Hippy tax" $250 + $200 = $450 per year

Dang shame, I missed the tariffs on solar panels, inverters, and solar project battery. Guess I'll have to meet my brother by another mother:


Bob Wilson

 

Many states have stepped into the vacuum (of no Fed gas tax increases) to increase state gaso taxes substantially. So the lack of Fed tax increases has fostered that behavior. If price of crude oil goes much lower, we could be talkin' half the pump price is tax in some states. This is why Congress in its infinite wisdom 100-yrs ago disallowed showing gaso tax price on the receipt.

Reminds me of the recent news, Bezos wants to show tariff impact on Amazon prices. That kind of thing irks elected officials who prefer cost increases to go forward silently with no explanation or accountability.