Musk on Mars

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  1. bwilson4web

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    Now that Elon is no longer part of the administration, he has returned to a long term goal that I agree with:


    But there remain problems:
    • 0:00 - 6:25 :: a summary of what SpaceX has accomplished and plans to expand Starship production.
    • 6:24 :: the goal, upload_2025-5-30_6-59-27.png
    • 7:09 :: independent life on Mars, upload_2025-5-30_7-2-11.png
    • 7:49 :: everything was good until upload_2025-5-30_7-4-47.png
      • Or keep factories open during a COVID epidemic
      • Or broadcast false conspiracies to those who would listen
      • Or have a "firing quota of 10%" instead of a performance based policy
      • Or support a sociopath running for public office
    The rest of the video is instructive to Elon's state of mind but fails to indicate he is adopting the policies that made Tesla great. For example, following the Tesla"Anti Employee Handbook" and listening to Tesla customers. Once a certain level of development is achieved, Tesla drops further improvements, freezing their products at a moment in time. For example, the Falcon 9 does not use hot staging or earlier deployment of the grid fins to reduce boost-back fuel expenditure.

    Elon and SpaceX will make progress but his public wealth is measured by TSLA stock price and shares he owns. Meanwhile, the sociopath in Chief and his minions are doing everything they can to remove support for Tesla's EVs, clean air credits, and solar roofs. Like the scorpion said to the frog while drowning, "it is in the sociopath's nature."

    I have a 2019 Tesla Model 3 and the most recent 2025 Model 3 has the same efficiency. Actually, mine is a little more efficient thanks to a decade of Prius ownership. A stock Model 3 will get 4 miles/kWh but mine gets up to 5 miles/kWh by better tires, Full Self Driving features, and navigation options (which like Casandra, I share with forum members.)

    Although I agree with the goal of a multi-planetary humanity, Elon's past practices suggests he'll achieve a respectable 90% of his goals and ignore the last 10%.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    does anyone in the universe buy this nonsense? i'm amazed the stock hasn't cratered yet.

    multi planet humanity? no chance
     
  3. bwilson4web

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    As for the TSLA stock, I’ve lost any interest.

    I share his dream but doubt he’ll achieve it in my lifetime. When I was in high school, I sometimes wondered what terrible crime I had committed in a previous life to sent to high school hadies.

    He has already shown the character flaws that won’t enlist the minds he needs to inhabit Mars. For example, how he handled COVID.

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    The stock is being propped up with BS and bailing wire... Quite nearly a pump and dump. When numbers for Q2 come in those who already sold their stock will be the only smart ones.
     
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    Elon's notion for multi-planetary humans is not based on reality... It's like telling people you're going to build an electric motor without using electrons or a magnetic field. As in sustaining life on a planet without a magnetic field to protect life from the sun's deadly radiation is like thinking you can navigate the ocean without a boat.
     
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    Send him there and leave him there.

    The richest man in the world is the killer of the poorest starving children.
     
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    Inhabiting Mars is non-trivial but first we have to get there. Musk can lead a team to get there. The rest takes orders of magnitude more effort and intelligence. But I think he has met the enemy and his character is it.

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    hasn't that sentiment always been the war cry of the Trotsky / Stalin / Lenin's victimizer / victimized? Tear it all down & let the poletbureau take care of you (after they insulate their self)? Nothing new Under the Sun.
     
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    It's not a statement from the communist.

    By eliminating USAID, children are starving in Sudan, and farmers who were paid to supply US surplus food for food assistance programs have been screwed.

    That's from Bill Gates, not me.
     
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    The president and him appear to be under the thumb of the same person/operation. And now that Elon says he's stepping away, suddenly they're back together again at the White House for a press conference tonight. Lol...
     
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    Yes I know there are people starving all over the world. But there are messed up homeless here - as well as vets. You have to allocate limited resources to the ones that are our own Citizens First and you can't do it by dolinging out Million$ to the rest of the world first.
     
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    The Big Beautiful Bill absolutely puts the rich millionaires first at the expense of the veterans and those under Medicaid.

    Ironically, users of Medicaid are of greater quantity in the Red States and the rural areas where more voted for the current administration.

    Appropriately 50% of those using Medicaid are in senior citizen facilit.

    I have never and will never be using public assistance but I support caring for those who need and use it.

    The Big Beautiful Bill will actually increase my wealth at the expense of poorer MAGA voters.
     
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    I served in the Marines, 1971-75, and @ETC(SS) served longer in Navy. Which branch were you in and what years?

    The reason I ask is the practice of "chicken hawks" to cite '"vets" yet never having worn a uniform or served.

    The weight of our excess food production would crush our "our own Citizens First". By sending that food overseas, we encourage them NOT to seek life here and become illegal aliens in the USA ... where the food is. Feed them there instead of having them come here to work "under the radar" to live. This is something I learned in Sunday school:

    On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

    In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.

    He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

    “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

    So which are any of us: "priest"; "Levite". or; "Samaritan"?

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    The food that the government purchased from the farmers for the overseas food programs have no market in the US and us rotting in the e warehouses and silos as b well also overseas with no personnel to distribute it as the DOGE has fired them.
     
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    By sending free food, we are/were undermining the local farmers, preventing growth of the country's agricultural sector. If the goal was to help, and not corporate welfare, we'd be buying the food grown there.
     
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    Sometimes the old stories are the best ones.

    Have you noticed how the term "good Samaritan" is getting used a whole 'nother way these days?

    The last time I heard it used on TV it was being used to describe a guy who had choked another guy to death on a subway.
     
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    The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to send people to Mars. The risks are extreme, and the financial costs are unimaginable. Platitudes like "we are meant to leave the earth" and "it's the new world" make no actual sense. Mars is not another continent on earth; it's a hostile environment. The "garden spot" of Mars is orders of magnitude worse than the worst spot on earth.

    Maybe in a few centuries, when our technology is sufficiently advanced, but doing it now makes no sense at all.
     
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    Not as simple as you propose.

    Like mo money in the bank or tools in the toolbox, it better to produce more or have mire than less in case of unplanned emergent situations.

    We found that out during the last pandemic.

    Producing just enough for the current market has resulted in historical famine and massive loss if lives.

    Your evidently advocating Jonie Ernst's statement that everyone will die.
     
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    Don't see how you can make that conclusion. My post had no bearing on production levels and the market.

    Buying local food in the poor country supports those farms, helping them grow. Hopefully, they won't need help to feed themselves in time. The US sends food instead. This undermines the local farms, as even those that could afford to buy local will opt for the free stuff. Having citizens be welfare dependent is bad, but its perfectly fine to do so to another country.

    Not enough food produced in country, then you send in food.

    Want to support domestic food production levels for emergencies? Go ahead, just be honest about the subsidy to the ag sector. Don't dress it up as aid to another.
     
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    Thanks to the climate today, we easily grow wheat, corn, and other silage crops. But we're not good at producing bananas and coco. Furthermore, many of those countries in need of food are suffering climate and conflicts that make food production today impractical.

    IMHO, each should produce what they can best and sell or give to the rest. Let them then develop what they can do best and we'll trade.

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