Featured Mazda competes for thermal efficiency against Toyota with Skyactiv-Z

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Gokhan, Jul 15, 2025 at 3:16 AM.

  1. Gokhan

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    I have nothing against diesel. Incidentally, Toyota had a diesel version of my 1985 Corolla FWD. It only had 50 hp but got better mileage than the gasoline version.

    I am just pointing out that diesel has fallen out of fashion. When that happens, the reason is usually the forces of supply and demand. Even in Europe, where diesel cars are a lot more popular, many people scorn them. They were also cheated for many years when the rest of the world was getting hybrids, they got much less fuel-efficient diesel nonhybrids that cost about the same. Eventually, hybrids became popular in Europe, too. And diesel hybrids have never become a mainstream thing.

    We are in an era in which engines are sunsetting and being replaced by electric motors. Are they going to bother to develop the more expensive diesel technology to squeeze out a few percent higher thermal efficiency before the sunset? I doubt it. Again, I have nothing against diesel. It is just that engines are reaching the end of their era, and it seems too late to invest in more expensive engine technologies.
     
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    Nothing against diesels? How would I get that idea. Oh yeah, maybe it was post #7?

    As for a dying technology? Maybe talk to Toyota about that, Ah la their hydrogen mobile the Mirai
    The typical grocery getter consumer get to work car is only 10% of national Transportation whereas diesel trucks are doing the heavy lifting of the other 90% of transportation. But I realize you've already ignored that glaring issue when mentioned above.
    So yea right - the diesel is on its sunset Death March.
     
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    My place is work has gasoline pickups, CNG pickups, hybrid pickups, BEV pickups, and a whole lot of diesel trucks and machinery. 90% of the time I'm driving a diesel truck if some sort. The ones used the least are the BEV pickups since we have a lot of driving to do on a regular basis and they don't go very far and then need lengthy charging.
     
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    You can talk to Toyota about a lot more than the Mirai
    ex:
    Toyota develops high-efficiency 'free piston' no-crankshaft combustion engine... to power an EV | Extremetech


    Toyota's Free-Piston Engine: A Revolutionary EV Range Extender - Ourmechanicalworld.com

    Come to think of it while you are at it you might want to talk to Toyota about this new family of engines also
    Toyota’s New Engine Family: Here's Why Rivals Should Worry

    Also kudos for Toyota for keeping their strategy of exploring all technologies and not giving up on them - the key to success is to not limit yourself or foolishly dive off the deep end into only one approach to moving people around.
     
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    Their numbers are probably comparable to the pre EPA change numbers of the gen2 Prius. Which is besides my main point that your complaint on diesel hybrid fuel economy is really a complaint on power hybrids fuel economy.

    Heavier? These are V8 blocks. On the 1.6L that was once available in the Cruze and Equinox, "The engine only weighs 33 pounds more than the base 1.4-liter(gas) turbo, so no serious suspension recalibration was needed." Tech Deep Dive: GM 1.6-Liter LH7 Turbodiesel

    I am unfamiliar with start stop issues in diesel, but we are talking hybrids. Even mild hybrids have a more powerful starter and battery than what the ICE model is using for auto stop/start.

    Don't see how I was throwing emissions under the rug when I entered the discussion discussing their emission controls, and saying multiple times that a lean burning gasoline engine might need to use the additional controls that diesels need.

    VW was cheating. The BMW tested along side them when they were caught was not. One of VW's crimes from that was in making it harder for honest manufacturers to bring diesels to market in the US. We almost got a diesel Accord after Honda cancelled the first hybrid, but they gave up when they couldn't figure out how VW 'passed' emissions.

    The electric motor and battery in your hybrids were free? Diesel cars in the US had an inflated price because there were limited options, and those that offered one only had it in higher trims.

    Perhaps, they haven't given us any actual numbers.

    I'm just going to add that the lean ratio produces less heat by simply burning less fuel per cycle.
     
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    Exactly! (y)