Where to start with death rattle?

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  1. Carpetfuzz

    Carpetfuzz New Member

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    my 2016 Prius v has "death rattled" twice now, a few days apart, and both happened after sitting for about a day, a few days apart, and hasn't happened since.

    The car has 142,000 miles.

    I am taking it into the dealer to get it looked at and diagnosed in 2 days. I am going to try to have them check the head gasket for leaks, and check the EGR system. I expect the EGR to be clogged, as it has probably never been serviced.

    My understanding with how the EGR, death rattle, and head gasket issues are connected is that the EGR clogs from normal use, which can cause the rattle on it's own right? then temperature fluctuations cause the head gasket to fail at an accelerated rate, which begins the coolant leaking, then its the same rattle but far more consistent because of the pressurized coolant leaking while the car cools down after parking?

    I want to know, what should I do next? My plan is:

    - if the head gasket is bad already, I get it done right then and there at the dealer, expensive but necessary at that point.

    - if the head gasket is not bad, I clean and / or replace the EGR stuff on my own, and hope that the head gasket doesn't fail in the future, but if it does then so be it.

    I think I have a pretty good idea of how it all works, but not sure if im spot on with my understanding of the issue. I guess my big question is, does the EGR cause the head gasket to fail? can I likely save the head gasket if I don't let the EGR get too bad?
     
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    One thing worth remembering is that what's often called "the death rattle" is the sound made in the transmission when the engine crankshaft rotation isn't steady enough to stay matched to the MGs, and the slight lash in the meshed gears gets clanked back and forth. It's a very alarming sound, which results whenever the engine runs roughly / misfires for any reason; the two possible reasons you've been focusing on so far are two out of many. Not all of the possible causes are major issues, so the term "death rattle" is kind of overwrought.

    There are a few causes that are kind of well known. If there is just a brief rattle on first start, after sitting cold for a while, and the last use of the car was short enough the engine didn't fully warm up, then the cause of the rattle was probably condensed water collecting in small intake manifold passages. That particular problem has been known a long time: the first reports were from people driving the earliest "model year 2010" cars in fall 2009. The answer to that issue mostly boils down to: avoid those short uses where the engine doesn't warm up.

    If there is misfiring only at mid-loads (not idle and not full throttle). there is probably clogging of the small EGR passages in the intake manifold. Only at mid-loads is EGR used. and so if there is misfiring only at the times EGR is used, probably the small passages are delivering it unevenly to the four ports.

    If there is misfiring at idle, when there isn't supposed to be any EGR, one possibility could be an EGR valve that's not completely closing, but that would have to be checked along with many other usual suspects (plugs, etc.) for misfiring at idle.

    The behavior usually associated with a head gasket problem will be a misfire right at first start that clears up fairly quickly, but happens consistently (not just occasionally after short non-warmup drives, like the condensed-water business).
     
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  3. Carpetfuzz

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    Interesting, so I guess it is possible that it was just the water condensation both times, but I don't remember how I drove it before each of those occurrences. When it has happened, it rattled for about 5 seconds right when I started the car, then stopped rattling and ran fine, so it was idling. It has never rattled under any load of any kind. So based on this, it seems like either it was condensation, or my EGR valve is beginning to fail.

    When the head gasket fails, does it start failing slowly? Or will it, one day, just start rattling every time I start the car?
     
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    This is typical of an early hg leak and will repeat occasionally as it slowly progresses over weeks or months. An egr clogging is more likely to cause stumbling and stalls if the egr valve is stuck open and do nothing if the system is clogged shut. In fact one of the best ways to eliminate the egr is to completely block egr flow.

    The good news is a 2016v has updated pistons and rings and is not as likely to have a leaking hg.
     
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