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One would think you were more qualified to critique how said monies are dispersed in your homeland of China. You guys have freedom of speech there...right?

 

Interesting ... we've had a frodoz737 here for fifteen years and a month, and tochatihu for even longer (me, somewhere in between) but I don't remember there always being this need on the one's part to always make gibes about the other being employed in China. I'm not sure I can place how long ago that bit started.

Here in the US, I live near a busy place where research happens. A lot of people of a lot of other nationalities come here and do research. I'm not sure that makes the US their 'homeland' necessarily, or gives them expert opinions on US politics necessarily, or makes them somehow responsible for US politics, or means they can't stay informed or have opinions about the places they are from.

I'm not sure why that would be any different for a Westerner doing research at a Chinese place where research happens.

 

Can't attack the message, so you attack the messenger.

 

Right ....... there haven't been attacks on man-made global warming gobble-dee goop here for years & years? Nobody said maturity was a main character trait on chat sites. Usually the next thing you hear is, "well - they started it"

Really?
Isn't there a thread here on the virus that came from China? An environmental issue?
You don't think some research doctors in China have ever mysteriously disappeared ? - that is - when they stupidly tried to voice where the virus Ground Zero was?
Maybe folks here should research to what happens to Muslims in China when they don't do what they're told.
Bottom line, you can't have truth when the state is telling you - "or else". Just responding with, "or else what" might make you disappear.
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how does that relate to one members constant criticism of another?

 

I'm not even sure so much it's criticism—that usually involves some creative thought. It seems like for a year or so it's been frodoz737's whole shtick to just respond to any tochatihu post with some variation on "you work in China so pbbbt."

I haven't really gone back over older frodoz737 posts to see when that became the whole shtick, but I don't remember that being always the case. I almost think I remember a time when I would read frodoz737 posts with interest.

 

I did have turn up the squelch on f-737. Too much noise.

Bob Wilson

 

They don't like any message from the person, so constant attack.

Were they the one constantly harassing hkgb too?

 

yep

 

Humm...hasn't lived, worked, paid taxes, voted or contributed anything to the US for many decades...and never will again. On top of that he works for china.gov in China. So when anyone like that criticizes "our" Country...I remind them they have no dog in the fight. You want to play, you gotta pay.

 

I find myself wondering how much of #2810 is true. I guess some of it could be.

I've never personally met the human posting for tochatihu (I gathered at some point that tochatihu was in fact a Prius, and relied on a human to do the actual posting, sort of like Archy's arrangement).

As far as I can (easily) tell, the human may have been Atlantically located in the US around the time the earliest Prii arrived, and later more Pacifically located in the US, and may have accepted the position in Kunming around a year before I joined PriusChat. We could call that "many decades" I guess, if we agreed to have "many" mean "less than two".

I don't (easily) find any lowdown on whether that human made any renunciation of citizenship then (or at any later time), or gave up the privilege of paying expat taxes or the burden of expat voting. Maybe frodoz737 has more information at hand than I do. Maybe frodoz737 cares more to pry into such details than I do.

I don't pretend to know just how much being a Western researcher at an institute in Kunming equates to working for china.gov.

On similar logic, researchers at the busy research-happening place near me could be said to work for in.gov. That didn't usta mean that they were getting marching orders from in.gov or from .gov, but what's been going on in recent months, it's funny you should mention. "Our" country may be an increasingly glassy house from which to throw stones.

 

Unless they make less than around $15k, expats pay income tax.

 

I have as well as ‘hobbit.’ Great minds run in the same gutter. I have great respect for both as we've traded Prius tricks over the years.

Bob Wilson

 

And I suppose China gladly is willing to verify what the salary is.

that's often the case - from both sides of the isle. Not just 'they'. The intriguing thing re China is - not too long ago it was anathema for the citizenry to complain about their horrible pollution - & much else. Once it became a national health issue though? The country was all in on ev's - or getting less & less residential coal fired stoves etc. So yea that's great. Doesn't mean that they are our ally as we wish they were. Yet it's great we can all banter about the environment here.
On occasion others on PC defended tochatihu's stands on issues (including yours truly) & yet iirc he commented somewhat to the effect that he can take care of himself. Some of us from PC met him (& other PC members) ~1½ decades ago in Detroit & he's quite personable . Doesn't mean that I have to like every thought that comes from his way.
You can be sure his big brother watches what he says here. Speaking of brothers - brothers on each side of the Mason-Dixon line went thru one of our nation's bloodiest wars against each other - once upon a time. Some ideologies cloud much of the rest of other's personalities. Even (some) lefties will eat their own (sometimes) when all aspects of their ideology aren't followed to the letter.
bottom line frodoz737 is as entitled as the rest of us to give reason for his reasons.

Science is represented equally from both sides of the aisles so......
We are talking here about people who know what side of the bread has the butter on it.
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Since China pays for their medical care, cleaning up pollution has a direct, economic payback with fewer air pollution disorders. EVs reduce urban pollution. Then there is the economic effect.

An EV has a fraction of the number of moving parts and can be powered by indigenous water, wind, nuclear, coal, and gas powered plants and not be dependent on oil imports. China builds what sounds to be fairly high efficiency EVs using local labor and minerals. They are in a position to under cut the price of all gas and diesel powered vehicles.

I look forward to seeing more Chinese EVs in the USA market in the future. I don't care if they are imported with a Detroit logo nailed to front and back. No more or less than the other imported gas cars rebadged by Detroit that could not engineer a descent vehicle.

Bob Wilson

 

Our first brand spanking new vehicle ever was around 1980. A Dodge small pickup. Imported from Mitsubishi & rebadged. I felt creepy thinking this was the company that made engines for the very effective Japanese zero - WW II fighter. Got to actually see one at an air show in Ventura / so Cal decades ago.

As for flooding the nation with cheap Chinese yet high quality ev's, what political side is going to touch that time bomb as the unions will quickly jump sides to protect their jobs. Omg! Both sides have been willing to do protectionism via one form or another. Then again, lack of protectionism to favor usa or Korea works for the iPhone - where no one seems to care that virtually slave labor is used to get apple electronics into the country. Seems like Trump is the first one with a set of brass nuts willing to take the tariff risks. So for his reward leftist media claim him fascist fascist fascist fascist which activates the nut jobs on the left to take up the very arms that they say they are against. All the irony.

 

• flooding the nation with cheap Chinese - Or anyone's "cheap" or affordable product.
  
• high quality ev's - Easier to import than do the heavy lifting of doing a quality job at home.
  
• the unions . . . protect their jobs - Run by "MBAs" who already gutted manufacturing.
• the iPhone - In your hand, one can always choose to live without it.
  
• slave labor - Who have a job and seem to work hard to make life better.
  
• the tariff risks - A tax only USA businesses and customers pay imposed by an "executive order."

Bob Wilson

 

slave labor evidently so harsh the laborers were known to jump out of upper story windows to commit suicide rather than continue. The cheapest solution other than a living wage? Setting up nets outside & around the building so the jumpers wouldn't die & cause bad pr.
Better life.

 

i don't consider much of rfk's opinions to be science based, nor the people he has brought in

 

Government medical service saving lives. Like Medicaid.

Bob Wilson