Another EGR thread

Discussion in 'Prius v Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by darknd666, Apr 1, 2026 at 12:01 AM.

  1. darknd666

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    Would letting a 1/4 cup of marvel mystery oil in each cylinder help or harm? To help break up the crud? Regardless if the head comes off im just going to have better access for a deeper cleaning.
     
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    Where would I get the software update file?
     
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    Caked up is better than clean enough to see aluminum color on parts of a piston. In your case the cheap borescope is non-conclusive for a head gasket leak.

    You can not just look unless you see a pool of liquid or one cylinder is shiny and the rest are carboned up. You pressurize the cooling system to 15 psi with a cold engine and use a dual view or articulating scope to observe the cylinder walls and head gasket. Then you wait for one or two drops. Hopefully they don't come.

    Do not pour liquids into the cylinder regardless if its Marvel or not. That is hydrolock and junk engine time ready to happen.
     
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    For an ecm update you need to buy access to the Toyota TIS system and have the latest Toyota Scanner software running on a PC with a hardwired Mongoose usb to obd2 interface. Its cheaper and safer to let Toyota do it. I would not worry about it until you have a trouble free engine. Then consider updating the ecm software.

    Latest Global Techstream+ required along with a $545 Mongoose interface. You supply an adequate Win11 pc.
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    Global Techstream+ download and two days authorization is $80. Includes calibration files for updating your ecm or other ecus.

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    Better to let the dealer do it unless you are a shop with continuing requirements of this kind.
     
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    I wasnt expecting to see anything that would confirm what we are suspecting. Simply did it on the whim that it might if there was a leak and it was really bad. I agree though for a leak that small i would have to pressurize the system for a while and check for coolant in the cylinders.
     
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    Typically cylinder one (left end when facing engine from front of car) is the first to get coolant from failing head gasket. It’ll look exceptionally clean.
     
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    I take it that's what rjparker was referring to about it looking all nasty in there being a good thing, no coolant to wash it out. However if your saying this, would any exceptionally clean piston heads be a sign? Grade my images and what would your opinion be? One piston in the middle has a very shiny spot. Even an entire bottle of seafoam wont get it that clean which I did treat the forat tank of gas with the last 300 miles.
     
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    Yeah clean indicates possible coolant cleaning. It's similar to deglazing a frying pan. You need a better borescope, and it should be able to look "over it's shoulder", to see the head gasket seam.

    Initial failure is typically cylinder one, which is furthest from the EGR inlet on the intake manifold, and the small EGR passage at port #1 tends to be the first to totally clog with carbon.

    I would check the condition of the coolant too, looking for gloops, evidence of stop-leak product. The manufacturer of one such "product" says it can be flushed with a 50/50 mix of water and white vinegar, fwiw.
     
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    The cylinders in the middle 2 and three were the cleanest. Im not sure how to interpret that. But if I were to take an educated guess, I would say a head gasket that has a known issue like this is probably pretty consistent with fail points. That being said about head gaskets in general it could fail in anyone of the cylinders due to enough overheating, which as far as I know the vehicle has no history of doing so.
     
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    My scope does have a 90 degree spring I can attach but sadly it will not clear the plug hole with said configuration...
     
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    With protracted neglect of 3rd gen head gasket failures the failure progresses to the other cylinders.
     
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    Won't help.
    The crud in your cylinder bores is not the problem.
    Running the engine with coolant in the bore can (and will!) lead to hydro-locking - which will illuminate the "change-engine" lamp.
     
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    Sorry for all the questions and theories, I just want to learn. Im not trying to defy logic here just trying to make sense of everything. I have a good mechanical aptitude, but I do have to understand the concepts first, i.e. how its designed to work from the manufacturers perspective and how its been working from the owners perspective (repairs and bandaids).
     
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    Me too. Getting an in-depth understanding, one that sticks with you, seems to require learning it yourself. When answers are handed to me, they tend to vapourize quickly. One personal example, trying to sort out a chord progression, when plunking out a a pastiche of someone's song on piano. If I'm flummoxed I'll go to Guitar Tabs (chords are chords), and there they all are. But the ones I got from there tend to be the ones I forget, or stumble over.
     
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    So far there is no clear diagnosis. Often a pro does a diagnosis of exclusion especially when there are no codes on an intermittent problem.

    Again, overheating on a gen3 rarely happens before a hg problem and usually never happens because the symptoms are so severe that even pro mechanics may think a rod has broken or a hole in the block has occurred. But "conventional logic" does not compute when it smooths out ten seconds later and may run for weeks without obvious coolant loss or overheating.

    MUCH later after foolish owners have spent $1k-$2k on plugs, coils and injectors and have temporarily reduced symptoms with pressure relief tricks and sealant, holes in the engine and bent rods can happen. So while the new guy is trying to make sense of it and can't believe Priuschat advice or won't use a shop with a quality borescope, he is often ruining the engine with overheats due to a sudden loss of coolant, white smoke and or newly ventilated engines.

    I call that the "Hey Walt" moment...


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    Honda Misfires on Coldstart Only

    This video is obvious but illustrates the quality of borescope needed. A gen3 often has one or two drops when cold and with coolant manually pressurized. Of course there has to be coolant in the cylinder/head coolant passages.
     
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    I wont be using the vehicle until Ive diagnosed the problem . I have to be absolutely sure its not the HG first. When I was able to consistently duplicate the engine noise I stopped operating the vehicle its been dismantled in my garage since for a week now.
     
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    3-part video #30 (currently bottom of this list) here, is @NutzAboutBolts head gasket saga. Worth a watch. He's working on his own car, so really taking his time, cleaning everything as well. IIRC he is or was working as a mechanic in a Toyota dealership, and I'd think in that environment his approach would be much more expedient. Anyway, a very leisurely/thorough approach.

    The flipside is gasket masters, a couple of links here.
     
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    Would this work? Harbor Freight. $129 but its a tool, so I wont feel bad throwing money on it.
     
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    Time to get serious.
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    Ive given it 10 PSI and I held it for about 1minute...not as long as wanted but because the tester I got has no cap adapter for the Prius....not even the universal would hold onto the cap...that being said the coolant is drained a smidge, like not even enough to go below the min. I pinched the lines during cleaning to reduce fluid loss. The water pump I replace will follow with a flush and fresh fluid. All precautions. However, what I want to know is how long should I hold the pressure to ensure I'm getting a good leak test?