How much is your local "Trump at the Pump Tax?"

I can think of a lot of worse places I would like to send him.

 

When was the last time you owned such a sedan? Wasn't that at least 3 Prii ago? Even Accords and Camrys are now hitting 50 MPG.

Away from home this week, I'm having to pay $0.39 - 0.40 / kWh at L2 outlets for most of my PHEV recharges, plus a session fee. (A few have been free, though I haven't been at any of them long enough for "full tank". Free L1 at just the first lodging, no L1 allowed since.) All the adjacent DCFCs are charging $0.59/kWh.

At least one major electric utility in my region, PSE, already has increased rates since the war began. Though whether any war-related increases could have been processed through the state utilities commission bureaucracy by now is another matter.

 

My last two ICE:

• 1991 Camry - lost in rain slick off ramp. Manual transmission. Replaced by used, 2003 Prius.
• 2001 Echo - wife’s going for groceries car. Automatic transmission.

Both bought new. The Echo was sold to a coworker when dealer offer was too low.

Bob Wilson

 

50 is... high. I rent cars often. I can easily get low-mid 40s out of the recently discontinued Malibu & Camry, and the current model Altima & Sonata. Have not tried the current (hybrid only) Camry. I'd expect that to be quite high. Not sure I've ever driven an Accord; Hondas are rare in rental fleets.

When was the last time they reduced the rates? Just mentioning it to point out a difference between retail gasoline pricing and subscriber electric rates: Gasoline fluctuates up and down, electricity only ever goes up in my experience.

 

agreed..... governmental regulations, "green" initiatives and mandates for utility renewable energies have caused electric rates to skyrocket with no end in sight for additional increases.

Exploding energy prices in California – CFACT

"California is the epicenter of green energy in the United States.
Energy prices are skyrocketing in California. The state’s electricity, gasoline, and natural gas prices are amongst the nation’s highest and rising. Green energy policies are the primary cause for high and escalating California energy prices."

 

All energy delivery methods come with regulatory baggage. I don't think that's particularly relevant though.

The bigger issue is that if you don't like the price of gasoline at Exxon, you can go across the street to ARCO or any of a fair list of competitors.

With live utility electricity, you're locked into a monopoly. Maybe not a perfect monopoly, but a structure that has all the monopolistic features that keep your rates moving in one direction only.

 

exactly.... and who controls the regulations, required green initiatives and mandates for percent of energy from renewable resources for these "monopolies"?

 

Also, their smaller siblings today are usually larger now than big children were several decades ago:

 

I know each US State does it their own way, but many follow similar arrangements. In Pennsylvania our legislature created a Public Utility Commission to oversee electrical suppliers among other public utilities.

It doesn't appear to be much different in Kentucky or California for that matter.

 

agree with everything you have stated .......
has the Federal Government ever affected energy prices?
something to consider:

Obama Admitted That Electricity Prices Would Skyrocket Under His Policies - IER

 

Remembering “Solyndra” – How Many $570M Green Energy Failures Are Hidden Inside Biden’s Infrastructure Proposal?

Most important point:
"When the government tries to pick winners and losers in the marketplace, like the Obama-Biden administration did in 2009, taxpayers often get to foot the bill."

Solyndra – $570 million taxpayer dollars wasted
Abound Solar – $401 million taxpayer dollars wasted
Calisolar – $280 million taxpayer dollars wasted
Fisker Automotive – $193 million taxpayer dollars wasted
A123 Systems – $132 million taxpayer dollars wasted
ABB, Inc. – $12.6 million taxpayer dollars wasted

 

The Institute for Energy Research is a sock puppet for the oil industry, with specific ties to Charles Koch.

You'd have to work hard to find a more biased source of information on this topic.

 

when faced with facts;
put on the blinders and scream prejudice, bias or racism trying to discount others- anything except to try to understand where the other party is coming from.

What a shame, pretty good discussion going..........
I respect your opinions and realize you may think differently than me - I certainly enjoyed talking to you and exchanging views I'll disconnect as we've appeared to have hit on a triggering event here.

Barack Obama Quotes About Electricity | A-Z Quotes

 

Well, I don't know about this trigger business. I'll admit that I'm struggling to see what point you're trying to make here.

Is there a particular significance to the quote you posted? If I have it right, we're talking about the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009.

Are you disappointed that you might have cleaner air, water & soil instead of cheaper electricity? Or are you upset that Congress is imposing limits and controls on something that had historically been left to State-level authorities? Or something else altogether?