Diesel people just don't get it.

You have got to shitting me. Science-based observations are bad? Yes, this is for another thread. You don't have to buy anything. People much smarter than you or I are doing the analysis and there's the proof. Good luck. Because of the data, we all need to curb our consumption and carbon footprints.

 

How about the data that contradicts the data shown on that site? Where is that data?

There are plenty of scientists that support AGW, and there are plenty who don't. Using a site that shows the work of scientists who support AGW doesn't make it correct.

Data is a funny thing. I can show that drownings of children increase in the summer months. I can also show that ice cream sales increase in summer months. I could then make the link that ice cream sales cause drownings. Data can be interpreted like that. One can take temperature data over the last decade and then compare it to industrialization and draw parallels. But are they really cause and affect?

I think we as a civilization are not smart enough to have it all figured out when it comes to this planet's climate, how it functions, and what influences it the most. If we did know all that stuff, wouldn't weather forecasts be 100% correct?

 

another thread is necessary here. Let's continue with diesel talk. suffice it to say...nope, I'm not even going to say it.

What's the new emissions ratings for these new diesel hybrids? Are they still closing the gap with the new Prius?

I'd say if people want what they want, the rest of us will like what we like and convert others to lower emissions...eventually. I mean c'mon...'clean' diesel is as good as 'clean' coal. Whomever coined these phrases did very well in marketing class.

This Is Reality

Cheers

 

At one point you made a scrambled complaint about the mass of liquid fuel:

My point was that batteries to store electricity have mass too, normally more mass than hydrogen for the same energy. If storage mass is a problem, then one could use the electricity you proposed making at home, to make hydrogen, also at home. Though hydrogen storage currently has density and safety problems too. Both technologies (batteries and hydrogen storage) have enormous room for improvement, and I won't presume to know will improve the fastest.

'Nano' won't do jack for getting a fast charge from a street light, not even "theoretically". The power density from a common street light will only support a very slow charge rate. Toyota's 8 year battery warranty will likely expire before the first BEV fill is finished. Do you remember Newton's laws on conservation of energy?

 

I can imagine a day when we don't have a need for personal fuel consumption.

I've read various philosophies based on differing values, so I thought I'd add one more. How about the day when global commercialization and public economic ideologies don't dictate the need for personal vehicles? I think until you deal with the public's psychology and people are happy where they are geographically, emotionally, and spiritually in life, an energy plan in any sense is foolish.

It's not that diesel people don't get it, it's those that will never give up their "rights" for the betterment of a global society where we share a common transportation system.

If you had the pleasure to wake in the morning and go to the corner and catch a bus to a hub where you may make other connections along your route to work, you'd get to talk to your neighbors. Then, perhaps our communities will actually become just that, a community. I know I'll never see it. People are too selfish to make changes for others.

 

hydrogen is 4 times as energy "hoggish" than battery technology. The math doesn't compute to waste electricity in the making of H2, then use it to power a car. simplify and put that electricity to use right away in a battery. not to mention the storage of such small molecules. Check out darrell's site: Darell's Electric Vehicle Page he has lots of tech papers and studies that prove this out.

 

People are slowly trained over the years to accept certain social norms whether they're happy about it or even aware of the manipulation taking place.

A motorcycle is a more efficient vehicle than any hybrid, hydrogen, or other power type. Before anyone disagrees...just think of the physical space required in our world due to our need to own at least one vehicle, but usually more.

Beam me up Scotty!

FYI - I'm making moves to never need the grid or a fuel source other than the remains of the food I grow, that I don't consume. It may take me 20 years, but I'm working on it. Buying a Prius now is a step closer to that goal.

 

Meh. That's not a motorcycle. That's a two wheeled car.

Tom

 

'08 Goldwing here!