Abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell GUILTY 1st Degree

Ah, but you've got all of eternity for that.

 

This is resembling a grade school playground fight.

Treb started the thread with a healthy mention of religion - not Spiderman.

While you are definitely not the first PC skeptic to harp and bait on religion, you definitely keep it on.

The topic is supposed to be about Kermit Gosnell and he is hardly mentioned.

 

My point exactly....the skeptics here don't believe in an afterlife and choose to spend it what's left of their lives bickering.

To keep it in context, the entire quote from me - the most relevant part in red.

 

Funny how differently people perceive things. I read an opening post by Trebuchet about an abortion doctor. I didn't see anything about religion until Spiderman's response.

And you missed my point about the bickering. You've got eternity to bicker, and so you do. All the while bickering about all the bickering.

 

Back to the topic

OK, religion was not mentioned on the outset of this thread.

I think the proceedings should decide the sentence as they normally do.

Should Kermit Gosnell get life or death? My thoughts are reserved for another post.

I will politely differ with Spiderman on Dr. Gosnell hearing the Gospel before the sentence is decided.

Two things are certain: Dr. Gosnell is going to do years of hard time. He will also be exposed to various prison ministries - Christian and not.

Much has been said of defendants seeking leniency after they "get religion." All too often it's faked. Even when it's sincere, I can't give them a complete pass.

 

Back to the topic, you say....and then you say you're going to withhold your thoughts on the topic, and bring up religion instead. Again.

 

Can't you be a bit more charitable?

I acknowledged that Treb did not introduce religion in the thread.

I then differed with Spiderman on introducing religion in that trial.

After getting a couple of concessions, you gripe.

 

I'm trying to play nice, Chuck. Really, I am. But this constant focus on religion - regardless of topic or thread - is too much. If we could discuss something - anything - without it having to relate to religious beliefs, I'd be more than charitable.

 

Do you always gripe after getting a couple of concessions in an argument?

1. I acknowledged Treb did not introduce religion in this thread
2. I differed with Spiderman on his 2nd post in this thread about witnessing to him prior to his sentence handed down.

I hope to hear you skimmed too fast - I just admitted that on point #1.

 

.....thank you for your concessions, Chuck.

 

^ Thank you for acknowledging them.

I think the trial discussed should focus strictly on what Dr. Gosnell did during the sentencing phase.

I'm undecided on whether he gets life or death - my short answer.

The longer answer involves deaths by abortion is precedent setting in modern times AFAIK.

 

I'm not in favour of the death penalty. Killing someone because they killed someone doesn't make sense to me.

 

^ there are dynamics that will make it hard to get a death sentence for Dr. Gosnell.

Putting a terrorist on death row is much easier than doing that to an abortionist. When is abortion murder? Different people will say never, some of the time, usually, always. (I'm pro-life when the mother's life is not in danger)

I do not know the specifics of this trial, but since abortion is legal, the way it was done must have resulted in this conviction. Maybe it was very late-term, or using methods that are crude/cruel....someone please provide a good link?

I view a really bad abortion like killing a tot - ending and entire life, worse than a 75yr person killed during a robbery.

If this is a precedent case, I'd be more inclined not to give him the death penalty this time.

 

He got a plea bargain.

Wish some had been tracking the case > Doctor convicted of murder in abortion case gets life in prison - CNN.com

Kermit Gosnell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

It is a forum after all and I did have an opinion on subject. I would be lying (a sin) if I said I didn't think one of you all would respond negatively. But often those comments often lead to a spirited debate with an education for all.

Actually there is a chance with a life sentence that he might read it. But I was really thinking about the possibility that there might be a PC member here (there got to be more than three) that might be considering or currently working in a prison ministry that lived near by and could use a little encouragement. Prison ministries like the one my church participates in are extremely effective. It works well because of the captive audience. It is also very beneficial as those that hear the Word and receive salvation in prison are far more likely to not be a repeat offenders when released. For those that are serving life, they have hope for the life to come and make a rather bleak situation a little less so for others.​

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Talk to him myself? Well as you know I am terrible at evangelizing and think someone with that talent would be a better choice. But you never know...​

 

Er, not that it matters much but that is not what I meant, I meant that if option "abort his life" was selected that he should have the opportunity to hear the Word and response before begin executed. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Now that he is a lifer, he should have the opportunity.

 

Because "belief" is a form of ignorance to liberals. The way liberals argue is to say you're ignorant, twist the argument and then take their ball and go home. So they bring up religion right away to avoid discussion about one of their core issues.

 

If you had an opinion on the actual question, you forgot to mention it, and proselytized instead.

Actually, the study I have seen on this was remarkably flawed. A careful statistical analysis of their data showed the
recidivism rate was slightly higher (but not statistically significant) for those who took the program. There is another flawed (i.e. old) study which shows that believers are more likely to be in jail in the first place. Should I bring that up?

 

Stats for felons that clearly came to Christ and truly changed their lives is subjective - just like church members that just show up, but rest of the week you would never know the rest of the week....World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics says as much on tabulating the number of Christians, non-religious people, etc is NOT exact. One specific example, Chuck Colson definitely had a changed life.

 

Of course the jury might recommend something less.

The man is 72 years old and regardless of what penalty is assigned, he is more likely to die of old age in a prison geriatric ward than anything 'the state' might try.

Bob Wilson