Just as the flu wanes

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  1. bwilson4web

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    Source: Australian Tourist With Measles Visited Met Museum, Several Hotels: Officials - NBC New York

    Health officials said anyone who had been vaccinated has a low risk of contracting the virus. Still, they’re warning that anyone who these locations at the following times could have been exposed:
    • La Quinta Inn, 31 W. 71st Street, New York, NY, between Feb. 16 and Monday morning.
    • Oasis Bible Tours at The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1000 Fifth Ave., on Feb. 16 and the evening of Feb. 17.
    • Watchtower Educational Center, 100 Watchtower Drive, Patterson, New York, between 12:30 p.m. and 6:30 p.m. on Monday.
    • Best Western Hotel, 1324 Atlantic Ave., Brooklyn, from Monday until noon on Tuesday.
    • Comfort Inn & Suites Goshen – Middletown, 20 Hatfield Lane, Goshen, New York, from 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday until 10:30 a.m. on Wednesday.
    • Excel Urgent Care, 1 Hatfield Lane, Goshen, NY, between 8 a.m. and 11:30 a.m. on Tuesday.
    • Orange Regional Medical Center, Emergency Department, 707 E. Main St., Middletown, NY, between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m. on Tuesday.
    One of the most easily transmitted diseases, we'll soon see who are the anti-vax folks.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I got my immunity the old-fashioned way, by catching all (or most of) the diseases.

    Have to say, never heard of that sort of immunity "wearing off" as it seems to do for some vaccines, such as pertussis.

    Not that I would wish red measles, German measles, pertussis, mumps on anyone.

    It wasn't that my parents did not believe in vaccines, I grew up on the cusp when many vaccines were not yet available and for those that were, you actually had to spend CASH -- there were no free clinics, it least in my area. And, in my childhood household, cash was one thing that was not exactly free-flowing.

    Still remember -- the mumps and red measles were the worst. High fevers and hallucinations with both. Of course, no medical treatment, other than mom with a wet washcloth. Whooping cough was more an annoying problem since it lasted so long.

    Here's an interesting timeline of when vaccines were developed and when funding for mass herd vaccination clinics became available.

    Historic Dates and Events Related to Vaccines and Immunization
     
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    could one get shingles from this, if one had the measles as a child? what about the airline passengers and crew?
     
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    ????Shingles is Chicken Pox virus...there is a new vaccine supposed to be better...
     
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    It is Chicken Pox, not measles that causes some later cases of shingles.

    I had Chicken Pox when I was about 7. I had shingles when I was 23. The entire area from my right shoulder down to my waistline. Horribly painful. Nothing to be done, the doctor said. Still a few minor scars from the shingle attack. Heard old shingles vaccine -- meh -- heard not much about new one.
     
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    i am witnessing an awful lot of bad colds, lasting several weeks, from cali to mass to florida.
     
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    You people who are sick all the time really need to get your vitamin D level tested. Since most people need to supplement 8000 IU/day to reach the Grassroots recommended level, I'm guessing it's low. Personally, I think they're too conservative and double their recommended value would be better.

    Funny little correlation: flu season tracks vitamin D level which tracks sun exposure. The rule of thumb for sun exposure is that if your shadow is longer than you are tall, there's not enough UVB available to trigger vitamin D production.

    List of medical practitioners who have CME credits in vitamin D related training is at Vitamin D*practitioners - GrassrootsHealth .

    Finger stick: Are You Vitamin D Deficient? - GrassrootsHealth ($70).

    Finger stick: In-home vitamin D test kit – Vitamin D Council Shop ($58)

    Blood test: http://www.lifeextension.com/Vitamins-Supplements/itemLC081950/Vitamin-D-25-Hydroxy-Blood-Test($63, currently on sale for $47) Visit local LabTech blood draw center.
     
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    Is there a mixed drink that works with vitamin D?

    Slo gin cocktail?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    D is fat soluble, presumably ethanol-soluble, so I guess you get your choice.

    D vs. flu is an interesting hypothesis; seems testable. You can increase with pills or diet changes. Decrease with sunscreen. Approval for human experimentation would seem to be the hurdle.
     
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    i had my D tested, it was fine. if you accept the parameters of 'fine'.
     
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    The important thing is the numbers. Trump's report was 20 ng/ml, with no red flags. Grassroots has data that 2 or 3 times as much is optimal. 20 is enough for your bones. Other conditions respond to different levels. Rather than making a decision like optimize flu exposure, but don't worry about cancer, I figure just get it as high as is safe. The 40-60 recommendation was figured out over 10 years ago. 10 years in vitamin D research is an eon. I expect a revised recommendation now that more data is available at the higher levels.
     
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    There is coorelation data on the Grassroots website that shows less sickness with higher levels. There was a newsletter maybe a year ago that covered flu incidence versus D level. There's probably a more extensive article on the website.

    Dr. Cannell of the VItamin D Council got into vitamin D research when he was working at a hospital for the criminally insane. The flu hit most everybody at the facility, except those under his care. It wasn't an intended experiment, more of a puzzle to solve. The only thing that turned up was that his patients were getting supplemental vitamin D and the others were not.

    The maximum level that can be used in formal tests has been a problem. Part of the problem seems to be the units used to describe an amount of vitamin D. The 20,000 IU that I take is half a milligram. A milligram is less than I can reliably measure on my $30 milligram scale. The 5,000 IU pills you can get at Walmart are 1/8 of a milligram.
     
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    The numbers say it's a 50-50 chance, and I say, get a tongue scrapper and drink lots of water;)
    But if someone has verifiable fact's about terrorism, great, go to the hospital.
    The best way to get sick is to hang out at hospitals, btw;)
    First there's an addiction epidemic caused by the pharmaceutical industry, then the pharmaceutical industry tries to make their trillions with grift, they have a 50-50 chance, yous pays yer monies and yous takes yer chances.

    The industry is strong, anti-vaxer is a Catholic sin ;)
     
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    Here's the results of the Grassroots study of D level versus flu/colds. In summary, 33% of D*action participants experienced a cold and 10% experienced the flu during the 6 months prior to their most recent test. Participants with D levels greater than 40 ng/ml (100 nmol/L) reported 41% fewer cases of the flu and 15% fewer colds than participants with levels less than 20 ng/ml.

    Link to these results is Vitamin D Reduces Colds and Flu - GrassrootsHealth
     
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    Stated as unpublished in 2015 which may still be the case. These are survey responses where differential diagnoses and blood-level determinations are not described.

    On the wiki page

    Vitamin D - Wikipedia

    see refs 78 and 79 that present consistent results.
     
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