If you had money to spare, who would you share it with?

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  1. bisco

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    Well then maybe you need to clarify your position on this matter.
    How do you propose to sort out, from the "multitudes waiting in line", those who are deserving from those who are not ?
    I am not making assumptions. I am only going on what you said.
     
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    Manifold Pressures are already a little high......
     
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    You are saying that this is a typical description of a recipient of food charity.

    Do you have any actual evidence to support that?
     
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    I take it, then, that your position is to not donate to food charities because a substantial percentage of the recipients are undeserving, if not blameworthy?

    Or is it, rather, to transcend the doubts and donate anyway?

    Or ... what was the point?
     
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    You've got it all wrong. In all human endeavors, there is some amount of "shrinkage."

    Since the early days of civilization, from any hunt or crop grown, there has been a percentage lost to scavengers, spoilage and vermin. That fact cannot be denied.

    There are those who steal from charities and those who are underserving who partake of receiving charitable handouts that are underserving who take away from the truly needy, either by their own poor financial planning or by moral turpitude.

    Still, we should not deny the helpful effects of helping those in need even if a percentage is lost to shrinkage. Even those business in any commercial endeavor is cognizant that a percentage is lost to mistake, careless handling or by theft.

    Unfortunately, this happens too in the Food Stamp Program, Medicaid and in charities. Advocates for limiting these programs often cite certain individuals who game the system as a reason for curtailing or eliminating these benefits.

    If a greater portion of those in need are helped, by all means, the endeavor is valid.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    I think you're getting out over your skis a little bit with the row-crop scavenger analogy, and the fact that you use the term "Food-Stamp" leads me to believe that you're not very much aware of how the SNAP/TANF program works in 2020.

    First of all.....farmers spend a considerable amount of blood and treasure trying to STOP predation of their product, and they STILL lose upwards of 20-percent of their crop to pests and weeds.
    The USDA, also spends a little bit of time and effort in fraud prevention, and yet there are still jaw-dropping inadequacies in this program that are not going to be addressed by shaking people down for more money.
    If you go into a Dolla store and/or a Walmart you might be quite surprised by some of the items that are EBT eligible - and no......not looking at Ramen noodles or other 'poor people' food but things like Red Bull...Candy...Coke...artificial sweeteners...

    Fine.
    If 30-percent of Americans are on one form of food assistance or other, then that just IS WHAT IT IS.......right?
    At least people are getting FED....right?
    There's a dizzying alphabet-soup of agencies like WIC, SNAP, TANF, SFMNP, and others and so even though they're "USPS" inefficient...people HAVE to be getting FED - right?

    The only thing is......
    I live in the deep South.
    We have probably more churches per square mile than LA has nail salons and tuner shops.
    LITERALLY over 120 in just my county.

    Why is it that all of our churches have active food pantries?
    Why do all of the senior centers in all of the towns in my area have food pantries?
    Why is there any room LEFT for non-denominational NGOs in my county, some of which run afoul of our dedicated county health inspectors?


    This isn't something that you can just virtue-shame people into hiring more dot.gov employees over....or shake them down for more tax money over.

    Stern Shot:

    Oh yeah.....almost forgot.
    Even if you ACCEPT the fact that more needs to be done for food insecurity in America, and me and my church DO INDEED accept this as an article of faith......the USDA would be the LAST people I would want to SOLVE this problem based on past performance because they're doing a disservice to the very nutrition vulnerable people that they're SUPPOSED to be assisting!!!
    Obesity in the United States - Wikipedia

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