P3190, shudder, doesn't run after EGR and IM cleaning

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  1. nicefighter80

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    I'll start by saying I'm new, and it's not a prius but a 2012 CT200h.

    Car was running fine, but would throw a P0420 and P0401 every other day. With the CEL illuminated, the car drove as if it didn't have any issues.

    To remove the constant CEL, I decided to clean the EGR valve, cooler, intake manifold and throttle body.

    After putting it back together, it had a bad shudder/shake at start up, and ran for about 15 secs for sputtering a turning off. A restart yielded the same results but it started to get mad throwing every warning light. It was showing P0401, P0420, P0453 and P3190.

    Looking for insight as the car can't move and only runs for about 10 secs.

    Thanks!

    PS I've ordered a new intake manifold gasket and will go over that area with a fine tooth comb as it feels like its vacuum leak related.
     
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    Assuming similar to 3rd gen: you reconnect all the gas tank vapour lines? How about PCV hose?

    what’s the miles?

    be careful with repeated 15 second engine “runs”; they’re likely futile and you can run the hybrid battery right down, creating a new issue.
     
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    I forgot to put the miles, 155k.

    I thought I got all the lines, but I’ll be double checking when I do the intake manifold. I do recall a loud hissing noise when it was trying to run.

    It’s rather annoying car to troubleshoot given I have a limited number of restarts. I just rebalanced the pack so I’d rather not do that again.
     
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    Another thing, I did pull off the top of the EGR valve to inspect the magnet, and didn’t realize it “spins” so not sure if there is the certain way to clock the valve and if that would cause any issues.
     
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    Well it's running, and a quick test drive seemed normal. It seems I left off PCV vent hose. Still need to clear codes and such to see if my EGR cleaning has solved my P0401 and P0420 code, but I was able to drive around the block, drprius app stating 60% SOC on the hybrid pack so feeling better about that as well.
     

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    As long as you don't get it wedged up somehow when reassembling, it 'clocks' itself the first time the ECM wants to close it, down to where its little ski jump hits a metal stop.

    While you had it off, I hope you checked for any sign of the ski jump having a rut through it.

    [​IMG]

    What you're describing does feel vacuum-leak related to me too.
     
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    I looked, but wasn't checking for the rut, mainly any corrosion on the coil. I do recall seeing some for of notch in the ramp. We will see if the code comes back, might get a new EGR to rule out any issues I caused by pulling the solenoid.
     
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    Minor point, but we do call that a rotor. A solenoid is the kind of magnetic device (which you might at first have thought it was) where the magnetic field just straight pulls on something.

    Being sure to call it a rotor and not a solenoid will help other people not be confused about what it does.
     
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    Drove it for a bit longer, runs better, but still throwing the P0401 and P420. Wonder if it needs a new CAT or downstream o2.
     
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    P0420 is about the cat, but P0401 is about insufficient EGR flow.
     
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    Yea but it sets them at the same time, any experience if one influences the other? It also has a P0453 and a gas leak if you fill it up. So things are going well...
     
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    P0401 is a simple test of opening the EGR valve some and seeing the manifold pressure go up.

    P0420 is tested by first making a lean fuel/air mix, letting the cat store up extra oxygen, then making a rich mix and seeing how long the extra oxygen holds out.

    If both codes show up around the same time, both tests completed around the same time.
     
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    Here’s a trick I used to keep the internals of the EGR valve from unwinding when putting the cap back on.
     

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