Looking for advice on my vehicle fixing plans.

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  1. Big Island Prius

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    Bought my prius used with a 126k miles on it. It had been fine for about 6 months before a message came up about low 12v battery voltage. I tested the 12volt battery and it was resting below 12volts so I replaced it. The next day I go to pull out of my driveway and a red triangle pops up on my dash as well as two codes. I look up some stuff and try to double check the wiring around the 12volt and tried to rig up a wire from a spot in the fusebox to the P Con Main 7.5 amp fuse because I saw it in a YouTube video. Nothing really worked so I took it into a dealership to get looked at (only place I could find that would work on it where I'm at) and they tell me I need to replace the shift lock actuator and quote me 2k with parts, shipping of parts, and labor.

    Just looking for advice on what do to next. It drives fine but can have some trouble getting into gear (I have to turn it on and off sometimes and switch to gear right away) but other than that it doesn't seem terrible. I'm just worried it will get worse or cause other problems.

    I was thinking of attempting to get to the shift lock actuator and seeing if maybe there's a faulty connection there (not sure how to do that yet). Other than that it would appear I'll just need to pay the 2k to get it fixed. Thoughts? Ideas? What would you do?

    As of right now the only code showing is under ABS. C1310
     
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    The red triangle and brake warning lights are a constant but just today the abs light and vehicle maintenance light also appeared before dissappearing but c1310 was still the only code both with and without the extra lights
     
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    Had you been crazy enough to give those thieves $2K it wouldn't of fixed the problem and they'd just shrug their shoulders and ask themselves what else can we replace that's expensive that might fix it.

    As @ChapmanF often explains C1310 is just brake ECU saying "hey, the hybrid battery ECU says it has a problem..."

    Is it possible your car sat for a while while you waited for a replacement 12v? That can sometimes create problems.

    Please use Dr. Prius app so we can see some of the hybrid battery's vital signs so we can help you figure out what the problem is?
     
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    What are you using to read the trouble codes? Did the dealership give you the trouble codes that they found?

    As PriusCamper already stated, the car has other trouble codes that your scantool can not read. The Dr. Prius app can be used to read HV battery trouble codes OR a better scantool can be used. There is a thread at the top of the Gen 2 forum, which reviews different OBD2 scantools. https://priuschat.com/index.php?threads/232741/

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    @PriusCamper it hasn't sat in the last 6 months but I suspect it sat before it was sold to me. I replaced the 12volt the same day as it gave me the warning on my touchscreen. I had this happen once before about a month or so ago but it was a one off event, or so I thought.

    I've got the Dr. Prius app but I thought it only worked with the hybrid battery itself I didn't realize I can use it here.


    @Brian1954
    Im using a cheap Innova scan tool I got from o Reilly. I'll get my reader that the Dr. Prius website recommended and get as much readings as I can. I think I only paid for the cheapest tier.
     

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    Yeah, you don't need to pay Dr. Prius for the vital signs... And hopefully this is the buyer's guide you're referring to: Hybrid battery diagnostic and repair tool for Toyota and Lexus
     
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    That's the the guide I used. I ended up going with the panlong. Here's the vitals for the battery.
     

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    That number known as voltage difference indicates you have a weak module... When the amp number above it goes really high the voltage difference number will too, which triggers the red triangle.

    If this is the first bad module in the pack people have gotten as much as a year out of it by buying a replacement module for $35 from Professor Joe at https://2ndlifebattery.com/contact-us/

    If you want to recondition the pack on top of this rebuilding work, as well as balancing the pack, we can walk you thru all that so you can get as much life out of the pack as possible.

    However if you have enough cash and want to upgrade to lithium click link in my signature below to learn more or you can buy new OEM or a rebuilt pack from Professor Joe with 3 year warranty, though his 1 year warranty packs are of the same quality.

    And if you're gonna replace rather than repair you can just keep clearing those error codes and drive the pack into the ground as long as it doesn't get so hot it pops its tops...
     
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    You need to read the trouble codes in the Dr. Prius app. Run the "Full Battery Test" to retrieve the codes.

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    @PriusCamper
    I see the diff voltage of .18v
    I'm assuming by the chart it's module #3 that is bad.

    Tbh I would like to replace it but the website in your profile appears to be out of 2nd gen batteries

    so It appears ill need to do some rebuilding until a new one becomes available. But I don't understand what reconditioning and balancing means exactly. I've got an idea what balancing means but don't know how to do it.

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    Okay I'll get the codes from the full battery test. I've just been nervous to perform it because it asks you to park your vehicle and Rev the engine a bunch but I'll have to put the parking brake on and hold the brake pedal down. Probably nothing just made me uneasy.
     
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    Heres the results of the full battery test
     

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    So Dr Prius is reporting a P3102 from the hybrid control ecu. Assuming that's accurate, then there is also an INF or detail subcode present that gives more info about the fault. You need a more capable scantool to view INF codes or get codes and data from systems such as "transmission control" (parking pawl mechanism).

    The link (above post #4) to the scantool review thread on PriusChat shows several capable scantools (such as Autel AP200).

    All the P3102 codes show that wiring-connectors, transmission control ecu, hybrid control ecu, or power source control ecu can all be possible problems. There's no direct mention of the parking actuator causing this code.

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    Okay so I'll need a better scan tool to get to the bottom of the problem. I saw the link you mentioned andam reading the thread but I'm pretty confused about scan tools tbh. But I'm trying to understand the thread
     
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    C1310 is the brake ECU saying "hey, the hybrid vehicle control ECU says it has a problem...". Which could, in turn, be the HV control ECU saying "hey, the hybrid battery ECU said something or other", or it could be any of dozens of other things the HV control ECU thinks about, not necessarily battery-related at all.
     
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    Yes, I understand that it's a bit confusing. There's lots of options that can do different things. You have to ask the question - "what do I NEED a scantool to be able to do"? You also have to understand what all that means.

    In post #37 of the scantool review thread, I summarized everything. For "general" diagnostics, I prefer being able to do a system scan- that checks what systems on the car can respond and if any of those have codes. Also I want a scantool that can access codes and data on ALL systems.

    Data is a list of information that an ecu receives (inputs from things like sensors) as well as some commands (outputs to actuators). Diagnostic Trouble Codes are set when certain inputs or outputs fall outside of preprogrammed limits.

    Of the options listed, # 7) through 10) can all do that.

    Next is being able to retrieve Freeze Frame data and INF codes. FF is a "snapshot" of data that a particular ecu records at the time it sets a code. INF or detail sub codes (if present) can help narrow down the specific problem area. Three tools have FF data, but only two have INF codes.

    Bidirectional controls are handy for testing if a system CAN work as should. (example- telling the ECM to turn the radiator fans ON then seeing if both actually move air.) Only two tools can do that.

    Then there's Service Functions: special commands for things like bleeding the ABS system, writing ID numbers of Tire Pressure transmitters to the car's ecu, etc.

    The Autel has the best "bang for the buck" - FF, INF, some service functions (but no bidirectional controls).

    The ThinkCar does most everything (but I personally don't like subscriptions).

    The XTool can almost match ThinkCar's functionality - it costs more $$ up front vs. no subscription. (but no doesn't do INF codes).

    Mucar is the most basic (and least $$) of the four "capable" scantools. No FF, INF, or bidirectional functions. Service functions are by subscription - so you pay for each one (for 12 months) only if you need it.

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    Regarding your pcon issue. Do you have any corrosion/rust under the dash? I had some funky stuff going on, testing miles of harness and connectors. Only to finally notice the ia3 connections located under the dash, left of the combo meter. Was corroded. I had various code including the c1310
     
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    @mr_guy_mann @ChapmanF

    Took a minute to respond, life continues to happen.

    After reading through the thread I've bought the Autel, seems to be the best value that will also give me what I need to to know. Both of youre explanations have been very helpful, both here and on the ob2 pinned thread. Now I'll just wait for it to get here and see what it can see. I'm a little worried about fully understanding all the info I'll be getting but I'll look through some resources about to the app.

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    It's pretty clean under the hood. The undercarriage has plenty of rust and corrosion but none can really be seen under the hood. I'm not sure how to check behind the dash at this moment but I'll look into that and check for any obvious rust or corrosion in general and at eletrical connections.
     
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    Alright, I got the reader in the mail and got it figured out and started reading codes.

    I got a C1310 HV system malfunction.
    (I believe that is the base code I pulled with my standard reader before)

    I got a P3102 Transmission Control Ecu

    And a C2304 Open or Short Circuit in u phase
    (Idk what u phase is but I imagine this could be evidence towards something that was speculated at previously, that there is a short in the wire leading to the parking break)

    I'll be honest I'm still trying to understand this app and the information it's giving me, most of it goes over my head but I'm starting to get it figured out.
     
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    If I understand correctly. It looks as though the issue is in fact the parking motor. Though I can't tell if it's faulty wiring TO or IN the parking motor.

    I guess my next course of action is to attempt to safely jack up the vehicle and see if I can locate the parking motor and check it's wiring with my own eyes.

    I'm not very confident in my wrench skills but if I'm looking at things correctly, a replacement motor is only $100 so I'd rather at least try before paying 2 grand to the dealership
     
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    So the parking motor consists of 3 stationary electromagnet coils. The ecu turns them on & off in sequence to act on the rotor (which has permanent magnets in it) to make the rotor spin - and through some gears it applies the parking pawl.

    Each of the 3 coils (or phase) has a label -U, V, & W. 12V is supplied to the coils and the ecu expects to see that 12V on the control (negative) side of each coil when they are not turned on.

    If the ecu sees less than the 12V as expected (under 6V) for phase U, it sets that code.

    If you test resistance across any two phase control wires (careful - don't damage or spread any terminals in the connector) : U-V, V-W, or U-W, all should read about the same. If not then test at the motor itself.

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