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Prepping for ABS Actuator Replacement

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    I've been experiencing that rattlesnake sound every approximately 10 seconds for the last few months, regardless of if my brake pedal is depressed. So I went ahead and picked up a used actuator and I'm getting ready to replace the old one.

    I've watched a couple of YouTube videos showing the replacement, but still have a few questions..

    I'm not great with gauging torque. I even use a torque wrench when changing oil. Does someone have the torque specs for the nuts/bolts that would be involved with this procedure? Any tips on how much to tighten the brake lines as it won't be possible to use a torque wrench on those.

    Has anyone here successfully performed a manual bleed without a scan tool after replacing the actuator? This YouTube video claims that a manual bleed with car off and pedal depressed should work fine. If I can hear the actuator pump functioning during this procedure, is it possible that all the valves inside the actuator are open, allowing for a good bleed? I just managed to install Techstream on an old laptop, so if this manual bleed doesn't work, I'll try the Techstream option.

    Any other tips related to replacing the actuator is appreciated!
     
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    No, it isn't. Some of those open only in unusual operating conditions (or when the bleed procedure is telling them to).

    The internet is an endless source of videos and things that will tell you whatever you want to hear (and a lot of people seem to want to hear "oh yeah, you can bleed 'em just fine without a scan tool").

    But you've already got a scan tool coming, so you really should be able to bleed 'em just fine.
     
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    Well tonight's the night - I'm going to start taking things apart - my plan is to at least get the inverter out of the way. Then I'll have time to finish up the old actuator removal tomorrow afternoon and Monday if needed. I'm going to take it really sloooow as this is probably the most difficult job I've tackled.

    If anyone has the torque specs for all the bolts around the actuator, that will be really helpful. Otherwise, is there a general torque recommendation for engine compartment 10mm and 12mm mounting bolts. I found the specs for all the inverter bolts. Then for the brake lines, someone suggested tighten until snug and then go 1/4 turn past that. Any other suggestions?

    I didn't end up purchasing a Thinkdiag scantool. I'm going to take a chance that the VCI cable I purchased works. If not, I'll order one.
     
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    That was difficult but I managed to get the actuator removed. I did break one of the plastic clips (see attached pic pink square) holding the brake line - should be okay to just zip tie it right?

    Also, I the videos I watched didn't suggest removing the upper brake line completely. Not sure why but this seems like a good idea - green square is where other end connects. I also zip tied the main group of brake lines together and worked them under the triangular actuator bracket before working the bracket loose. I wrestled with it for about 20 minutes, seemingly making no progress. Then, I realized that the bracket was catching on the actuator frame bolts in the rear - so it was necessary to pull it forward (maybe up a bit too) to first release the actuator from those two bolts. Maybe this detail helps someone in the future - it should have been obvious, but it took me a while to figure out!

    Hopefully, I didn't bend the brakes lines too badly. However, I think I may have lightly scuffed the flared part at the end of one of the brake lines. Post mortem tomorrow. Also, still hoping someone posts those toque specs!
     

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    Thanks for the pictures. I might have to tackle this some day. Please take pictures if you can as you go. I also will take my time over 3 or 4 days to swap it out. I wonder if #skimmilkhybrid travels and does this repair? If not it would be good to add you his services. Id be happy to trade work for this job. I can replace the traction batteries and do a bunch of other stuff but this job seems a bit daunting. I don't have Techstream.....yet
     
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    I'm Looking at the ThinkDiag Thinktool Mini. $400 is not bad. I assume I will still need to buy the Toyota specific software? Can you bleed the brakes with this tool after replacing the ABS unit? Id buy it for this repair but also to work on the Wifes Mercedes. Any body have one?
     
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    Hmm, when I was doing my research, I recall the Thinkdiag Mini as just being a basic code-reading scannner, not capable of bidirectional control. You want the regular Thinkdiag (about $75 on Ebay or $100 on Amazon) or the Thinkdiag 2 (about $20 more). Note that these are OBD2 units that communicate with an app on your phone. The reason I decided not to go with Thnkdiag, is that multiple reviews said that using the app was confusing.
     
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    I've got the ThinkDiag for my smartphone, and it seems to do just about everything that Techstream does. ThinkDiag 2 is an "updated" version that is capable of doing CAN Flexible Data rate on newer cars (not needed on a Gen2).

    It'll probably do a fair bit on the wife's MB (but you better be careful, having some capability for MB without the factory info and training can get you into trouble).

    The only thing I don't like about ThinkDiag is that you need to pay a subscription every year to keep it functional.

    https://priuschat.com/index.php?posts/3290690
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    You were actually one of the sources that seemed to indicate Thinkdiag was confusing, "ThinkDiag works but their language translation makes it difficult to follow. ("take the key out of the slot then put the key in the slot" - you have to guess which key {old or new} is used when)."

    Have you tried it for bleeding brakes on the Gen 2 Prius?
     
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    New (well used) unit is in! I found it more difficult to get the replacement in compared with removing the old unit - most people seem to have the opposite experience.

    Tightening the brake lines was a a bit of a guessing game. I followed a suggestion I found online to snug up, back off, snug up again then go 1/2 turn further (I could only comfortably rotate 1/4 turn)... and repeat a few times. No clue if I over-torqued - I guess we'll find out tomorrow when I bleed the brakes.

    Another concern was after tightening the horizontally aligned front entry lines, another online video suggested leaving the top line loose and adding brake fluid until it started seeping out of the top line. This didn't work for me... I added some fluid, the reservoir level dropped, I repeated but the reservoir level stabilized without any fluid leaking from the top brake line.
     
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    Language can be a problem with anything, even the factory service information.

    That said, the ThinkDiag is the only tool that specifically has a menu item for relearning the linear solenoid.

    If I have time this week, I will do brake work on my 06 and see if the bleed commands work.

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