Is the starting 12v battery lithium or flooded and how to store

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    Have a few questions regarding leaving my gen 5 for 3-6months while out of the country. Is the starting 12V battery lithium or flooded and will it be maintained by the larger lithium drive battery if car left unplugged? Or Plugged in?
    Another question I want to keep a 12v cooler running 24/7 while camping ie can the 12V cigarette outlet. Does that 12V outlet run off the starter or drive battery? Can it work with the car off or do I have to use the 120v inverter plug in the back? It seems a shame to take 12v and invert it to 120V then back to 12V to run the 12V cooler. Thoughts?
    Lastly has anyone added a 1500lb tow hitch in Ontario Canada and does that pose a problem regarding warranty and or is one available?
     
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    1. The 12V battery does not start the car. The car is started with the HV battery and one of the MG units. The 12V battery only powers the car's electronics, lighting, etc. That's why it's so small.
    2. The 12V battery is a traditional flooded lead acid.
    3. The 12V battery will not be maintained* if the car is left plugged in. In fact, the manual expressly advises the owner not to do this.
    4. Your best bet for preserving the 12V battery while you are gone is to either disconnect it or install a battery maintainer(such as a NOCO Genius 1, 2, or 2D). Which route you choose will be best decided by the conditions where you plan to store your car.
    5. I believe the 12V plug is switched(so it's not live when the car is off), but I would reconsider your choice to use it to power your cooler. As said before, the 12V battery is pretty small because it doesn't start the car. That means you have far less power storage available to run a 12V accessory. You'd be better off running off the 120V with an inverter or just switching to a 120V cooler.

    Can't help you with the rest.



    *The car does actually monitor and charge the 12V battery, but only if it's also actively charging the HV battery. So if there's no appreciable draw on the HV battery, the 12V battery will slowly deplete and the car won't do a thing about it.

    A scenario that may eventually apply to you is in freezing temps. If the car is plugged in, it will try to maintain the HV battery at a temp where it can provide full power immediately at startup. To accomplish this, it uses a resistive heating element at the bottom of the HV battery that is powered by the HV battery. So if the car runs the heater long enough, it will deplete the HV battery enough to initiate a charging cycle. During that cycle, the car will resume monitoring the 12V battery and charge it if necessary. A normal USA Prius Prime will do this for up to three days before shutting off that system. Prius Primes delivered to Canada and Alaska will go for up to 30 days before the system is disabled. But this doesn't apply to you in this instance since you will be gone during the summer and the temps won't drop low enough to ever trigger the heater, plus you'll be gone for far longer than 30 days.
     
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    Thank you for the input. When leaving for extended periods I’m going to leave the car HV battery at say 60% charge (told better for lithium to not be topped up when sitting) not plugged in but attaching a battery maintainer to the 12v floaded starter/accessory battery in the right side of the trunk area or to the battery jump terminal and ground under the hood is the safest way to go when leaving more then a week or two. Regarding maintaining my cooler while camping I’ll try using one of the 120v outlets and monitor the HV battery while camping. If that is drawing down too quickly I’ll try connecting to the 12v cigarette socket and attach my portable 100w solar panel to maintain or use my Honda 2200w generator that has a 20amp outlet I can connect the Prius plug to charge the HV battery which in turn charges the 12V battery. I’ll report back my findings this summer
     
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    That's what I've been hearing. And it's back in the hatch? is there a vent on it? With Gen 2 and 3, they were AGM and vented. Supposedly because they're in the cabin. But with gen 5 it's flooded and in the cabin. How'd that come to be, maybe regulations changed??
     
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    I have not checked my Prius 12v battery but watched this well narrated electrical system test video that suggests it’s now a 12v vented floaded battery. Maybe something to do with the DC to DC charging is a bit different /combined into one unit under the hood with the Gen 5.
     
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    Just wanted to note that this is just another ECU setting that you or the dealer can mess with in Techstream. So it's just something that's set up as part of the pre-delivery inspection, rather than being an actual vehicle difference.
     
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    Would be nice while away if I could leave it plugged in and charged only to 60% and schedule it to charge every week for say 15min which would easily maintain the 12v battery and not meaningfully changing the 60% state of charge for the HV. Is this something that can be programmed in? Would be nice if it was a simple maintenance button on the Toyota app.
     
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    Yeah, I think that should work, actually. You can set charging schedules in the car, and you could tell it to do a short period every Sunday.

    You're the first person who's made that suggestion, and I can't see anything wrong with it - it should keep it topped up for quite a long time, if you're taking the care to start with a low charge. (Toyota themselves suggest long-term storage at "---" - bottom of EV range, top of HV buffer, so I wouldn't start from 60%).

    Note that until recently many including me thought the G5 was like the G4 and had a separate 12V DC converter used when charging, which only output a maintenance 12V level, which would have made that less effective. But it's recently been established that it does now use the main one, and that it will apply full 12V charging voltage as required. (See the video above, and this thread about it)

    Only note of caution is that there is a TSB about current drain while plugged in - if your car had that fault unfixed it might not last the week between top-ups. Otherwise, it should be fine for a week.
     
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    When you are camping you can put the car into “Ready” mode and the 12 volts will be maintained by the Traction battery. “Ready” is also required to power the 120 volt sockets. Once the EV range is used up, the gas engine will start periodically to keep everything powered up. No need to worry about the 12 volt battery while the car is in “Ready” mode.

    The 12 volt socket also has power when the car is plugged in to charge and has been put into “Room” mode whereas the 120 volt will not be available in this mode, therefore a 12 volt cooler is actually better for situations where you are camping with the car charging.

    I would think that the traction battery will power a Cooler for a long time provided you ensure that the car heat and ventilation system is shut down and there aren’t any other power draws - headlights and parking lights off if your car allows that.

    You can use HV mode to hold the traction battery charge while driving to the campsite or use the Charge function to bring it up to about 80% while driving.
     
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    Well our Prius has been a savour. After the worst ice storm in Ontario Canada the power has been out coming up a week. Our basement filled with over a foot of water while we are away in Mexico RVing. Since our gas generator came with us camping I walked our son back home to put our Prius in ready mode and connect an extension cord to the 24 Prius 120V receptacle to power my basement sump pump. Well it emptied the basement last night over 14hrs while charging the 12v as a bonus. This did deplete the traction battery to 15% per the Toyota App I have on my phone. Iam told now that the traction battery is low the car does start from time to time maintaining the battery. Iam so impressed. Fortunately we have an unfinished basement. We will have a lot of cleanup when we get home but if the water had got much higher we would have had 10’s of thousands of dollar damage. Our Prius saved the day…week. Only a 1/4 tank of gas so will have to closely monitor it. Not sure how much draw the Prius inverter consumes in ready mode or how much run time when parked maintain the traction battery. With the sump only coming on periodically now that the basement is empty maybe a long time or until the power comes back on. Does anyone have a guess? Thanks Greg
     
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    What is the power of your water pump? Multiplying its power by 14 hours will give you the calculated value of useful energy expended. The Prius battery should expend more energy since there is also unproductive energy expenditure for conversion and transmission through the cable.