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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    There are several ways to do a balance sheet. Not an accountant, I will attempt to replicate the Tesla style:
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    • TSLA stock sale paid for solar roof project
    • 7 kW solar roof project
      • Final payment $6,000 after 'Permit To Operate'
    • 10 shares TSLA stock short
    • Insured house value change
    • Total ~$51,000 gain
    Unlike the one year, EV tax credit, the solar roof tax credit is multi-year: 30% * ~$66,000 ~= $20,000. through 2036(?). Capital gains is one year: 28% * $62,500 = $17,500.00.

    The recurring, expected insurance premium and property tax increase is expected to be much less than the recurring, $1,200, untaxed electricity savings.

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  2. mikefocke

    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    So you paid $66k in today's money to save $1.2K in electricity a year? $66k at 4% in a money market would yield $2,640 a year, enough to pay for all your electric bills. And increased your house value by $51k So your breakeven point is in about 10 years (51k + (10 * 1.2k)). Assuming that a 10 year old solar system actually increases the value on sale by that much. Is that right?

    And there is a tax credit of 30% spread out over 12 years? Surely it can't be $20k per year for 12 years? Where is this credit coming from? And what assurances do you have that the tax laws won't change?

    When I went to explore solar a year ago, my house is sited all wrong. And the only placement that made functional sense would have been ugly and unsymmetrical. Would have been nice to have to offset the electric bill on my 5 bedroom house. But I expect to be moving in 2 years so no point in doing it now.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    My TSLA stock has no dividend so I needed to shelter my capital somewhere. Inflation is driving my electric rate up in 2025 by 15% between January and July so my actual savings will be larger than -$100/mo . I am expecting inflation will accelerate in future electric rates. But there are improvements in home electricity usage.

    Now I have metrics on every home load. With data, I can optimize my use and future appliances. I just started using it Saturday and it is likely to save another 10-15%.

    Efficiency is not taxable income. It led me to drive Prius and now EVs. Cost avoidance is invisible to others and what I want. After all, at age 75, there is no roof rack on a hearse.

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  4. 3PriusMike

    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    I don't get how your solar panel rebate is a multi-year tax rebate.
    When I got my solar panels I was able to deduct the full amount (30%) for the tax year I got the panels.
    This was in 2015, so have the rules changed since then?

    Mike
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Well by golly, I won't vote for him again.

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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Yes, the IRA made solar credit multi year.

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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    It's a tax credit, and the amount of those applied can't exceed your tax liability; you can't profit from them past zeroing out what you owe.

    Unlike the EV tax credit, this is one of those credits you can roll over to the next year in the even the credit was more than the tax liability.
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    But your sum total of a credit is the same, just 30% of the solar panel cost whether you take it in one year of over several years

    Mike