Frequency Oil Change & Tire Rotation for low mileage city streets driving?

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    I’m wondering about oil change frequency under following conditions, mainly due to low mileage driving and short trips in cold temps. Dealer has actually recommended against more frequent than every 5,000 miles or 12 months but I’m really unimpressed with local dealer I’ve dealt with for a whole slew of reasons. I’m also wanting to double check tire rotation changes are supposed to happen based on mileage/wear not time? That’s what dealer said too and I believe that is correct but checking here.

    We live in the NYC area and have what’s technically a 2022 Prius AWD-e but actually bought it August 2021, so it’s about 3.5 years old. Most weekdays during school year (September to June here) it’s driven only 5 miles a day in light to moderate traffic on city streets (stop and go, not over 30 mph) for a trip that takes around 30-40 minutes per day. On the weekend, sometimes one day or both, it’s driven on round trips for outings that are usually about 5-6 miles one way and that takes 20 to 40 minutes one way. First couple years We were going on 100 mile round trips once a month maybe and longer trips once or twice a year and getting 5000 miles per year but last year and a half using much less for longer trips and only about 4000 miles in last year and a half.

    Winters are cold-ish here but not below freezing cold all the time and only a few months of the year any more anyway (this winter had more cold spells than last 2 or 3), so not sure how much below freezing trips we are doing.

    So should we be changing oil just once a year like dealer has told us, or more often? Should we be only rotating tires every 5,000 miles even if that’s every two years as long as no wear signs noticed indicating something else as dealer said, or more often?

    I’m also going to add something here that I may eventually separately post about — but I feel like this winter in particular during colder weather (under 50 for sure, more under 40 though) I really noticed that SOME TIMES the engine’s idle could be loud and cause vibrations more and for longer, and even seem to quiet down then come back when at a stop or while parking, and that transition between electric to gas could seem subtly maybe a little rougher, compared to when temp is above 40-50 degrees….I’m not sure how much anything really that abnormal is happening though because it may be after a handful of obvious oddities I just became hyper-attuned to noticing the shift from the electric to gas and back...also battery might not be charging as easily or holding charge when colder but not entirely sure on that one…it’s all a sort of subtle on and off thing, thoughts on how much should I be concerned? Nothing else notable whatsoever, great car overall.
     
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    I kinda cringed a little bit when you stated that you only do 5 miles a day, so 2.5 miles on a one way trip. The only saving grace here is that it takes you 15-20 minutes to do the trip. The engine needs to get up to full operating temperature to burn-out moisture and contaminates. It can't do that on a slow 2 mile or 15 minute trip.

    1. My suggestion would be to alternate your trip days, where every other or third day you force the ICE on for your entire trip back and forth. 15 minutes should be enough time for the engine to get up to operating temperature to fry all the contaminates out. You can force the ICE on by activating the front windscreen defrost. Once the engine starts, you can turn-off the defroster; The ECU will complete engine warm-up cycle, before shutting it down; if it isn't need.
    2. When you park your car, don't shut it off if the engine is still running - the ECU is keeping the engine ON to complete it's warm-up cycle. Allow the ECU to complete it's cycle before shutting down - if time permits. Once the engine turns off; you can shut-down the car.
    3. Your fuel consumption cost will most likely go up; but your avoiding future issues. I'm pretty sure the extra fuel cost will be much cheaper than more frequent oil changes.

    Your engine seems to intermittently run faster and rougher because your traction battery is probably really low. Check your MID screen to verify. This should be less of an issue if you keep your traction battery above 20% charge. It would probably be in your best interest to do basic checks under your hood on a monthly basis. Just eyeballing coolant and oil levels; especially before a big trip - gives you a piece of mind and avoid nasty surprises; if you don't already do so.
    The tire rotation suggestion is based on actual wear; so rotating every 5k and/or oil change is fine. You can apply UV protection on the tire sidewalls to prevent dry rot.

    IMHO; using quality full synthetic motor oil - 5K or annual oil changes would be fine, if you follow the three suggestions I've posted above. FWIW; OEM Toyota requirements are 10K miles or annual for an oil change.

    Hope this helps.....
     
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    I would do 6 months for peace of mind
     
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    Maybe schedule a little (10-20 mile) road trip every month or two. The car needs to stretch its legs occasionally and that still wouldn't seriously add to the miles you drive. That might help with your rough running issue too.

    I don't understand why you went through the extra expense of getting a Prius. You really don't seem to be saving all that much money. With that little usage, just about anything with 4 wheels, and 4 doors would do. Either that or get a Prime. For you, that would be like having an EV.
     
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    Thank you. Just FYI for fullness I added this to description of usage in original post. I honestly don’t even know what future use will be, this could become moot point in not too distant future. "On the weekend, sometimes one day or both, it’s driven on round trips for outings that are usually about 5-6 miles one way and that takes 20 to 40 minutes one way. First couple years We were going on 100 mile round trips once a month maybe and longer trips once or twice a year and getting 5000 miles per year but last year and a half using much less for longer trips and only about 4000 miles in last year and a half."
     
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    Thank you. Just FYI for fullness I added this to description of usage in original post. I honestly don’t even know what future use will be, this could become moot point in not too distant future. "On the weekend, sometimes one day or both, it’s driven on round trips for outings that are usually about 5-6 miles one way and that takes 20 to 40 minutes one way. First couple years We were going on 100 mile round trips once a month maybe and longer trips once or twice a year and getting 5000 miles per year but last year and a half using much less for longer trips and only about 4000 miles in last year and a half.” If this affects your advice in any way let me know. One thing that has to be kept in mind is that living in NYC it takes an hour to drive 10-20 miles most of the time no matter what direction you go!

    Many factors went into buying this when my wife had to go back to work in person amidst both a global car shortage and a pandemic that was still very much raging and for which there were still many society-wide precautions impacting life in various ways here at the time.

    We would have gotten a Prime most likely if there was much chance of ever charging it but wouldn’t have gotten much use out of the charging capacity most likely because we can’t charge it at our apt. building and there really are very very few charging stations in this area and none particularly convenient to us — I researched it. We would have lost storage space with it we gathered and there were some other things at the time. Maybe we should have gone that way but too late now. Anyway 48 mpg overall so far still not too bad . Live and learn!
     
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    Thank you. Just FYI for fullness I added this to description of usage in original post. I honestly don’t even know what future use will be, this could become moot point in not too distant future. "On the weekend, sometimes one day or both, it’s driven on round trips for outings that are usually about 5-6 miles one way and that takes 20 to 40 minutes one way. First couple years We were going on 100 mile round trips once a month maybe and longer trips once or twice a year and getting 5000 miles per year but last year and a half using much less for longer trips and only about 4000 miles in last year and a half.” If this affects your advice in any way let me know. One thing that has to be kept in mind is that living in NYC it takes an hour to drive 10-20 miles most of the time no matter what direction you go!

    I’ll see about the feasibility of getting my wife to do what you said during her drives to work.

    So the screen rarely shows 1 out of 8 bars for the traction battery, usually was in the 2-4 range though during the cold weather, and down around 2 very often. Though I’m not entirely sure it’s that different now but it can get up to 6 or 7 more often now that it’s warmer. We basically had 2 record cold months (but I’m not sure if they were a lot colder than the first winter we owned the car) and now an unusually and maybe record March if seems like so far.

    The first time I remember thinking the ICE was unusually loud for a long time I actually was having to run the defrost the whole time during a 30+ minute long city streets drive in moderate to heavy traffic in below freezing weather back in late December when the weather suddenly turned cold.

    Yeah I do check every month or so under the hood and get regular factory maintenance.
     
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    The key is to get the engine hot enough to wring out excessive moisture and fuel out of the engine oil. Those contaminates will cause excessive engine wear and oxidation issues.
    Again; if the car is parked and the engine is still running - the engine ECU is still warming up the motor and oil. Allow the ECU to finish the job, instead of cutting it off. The Toyota engineers has already gamed-out minimum run-times for the powertrain to keep it healthy; turning-off the car mid-cycle in it's routine isn't going to hurt it; once in a while. If you continuously interrupt it - there may be a cumulative effect to that.
    You should also check your aux. 12V battery status. 15 minutes is probably enough time to recover/recharge the battery for it's next start-up; but short hops tends to discharge the battery faster than it can recharge.
     
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    Change your oil and rotate your tires once a year and you'll be fine. (and replace those tires every 5-6 years, they will age out long before the tread wears out; looks like that's going to be a theme for this car)

    It doesn't have to be any more involved than this.
     
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    thanks can you say more or provide link about tires needing to be replaced before treads wear out? 6 years sounds short. How would one know when to replace?
     
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    Tread is a device for pushing water out of the way. However, most of the tire's usefulness is derived from the rubber chemical compound itself.

    The rubber compound used in tires is not quite stable. It hardens and changes gradually over time and with exposure to sunlight and air.

    After a certain amount of time has passed, the physical properties of the material changes. The tires won't give as much traction, and they'll start to develop cracks on the sidewalls which can allow dirt and particulates to be embedded where they can cause cuts and further damage as the tire flexes through every revolution. The tires eventually lose flexibility, develop annoying flat spots and eventually crumble to dust.

    For this (and other) reasons, all DOT-approved car tires are molded with a date code on the side wall. You can use websites like this to decode the number and determine how old your tires are.

    5-6 years is not a hard rule, but it is a widely accepted figure for safe use of an average car tire lifespan. Older tires will skid more when you attempt sudden braking, and they will not perform as originally specified. Some tires can last longer, and others will go faster.

    I've driven on older tires, people do it all the time, you aren't going to get a ticket for it though you might fail an inspection. (I can't remember if NY does them, I moved out of Bushwick 20 years ago)

    The point is that if you care enough to pick good tires, you might care enough to keep good tires on the car.
     
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    Yep; cracks in the rubber and also look for budges. Budges, like a hernia, indicate separation within the layers of the tire. Whomever is servicing the car, should/would notify you if either issue exists.

    Good Luck.
     
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    FWIW you could consider following the OM recommendations considering oil change intervals for your driving conditions: 6 months or 5000 miles, which ever comes first.
    Our 2022, bought new in February of ‘22, has 9644 miles on it as of today. Oil change occurs every 6 months especially since we seldom drive it more than 3 to 5 miles in the cold NW Illinois winter months. Yes there aren’t many miles on it between the late summer and February oil change, but the ICE has a significant amount of run time and on/off cycles during those 6 months. The other 6 months has quite a few days that still are quite chilly too, resulting in the same ICE cycling on and off.