Help with P3191 and battery recommendation?

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  1. War_Destroyer

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    Hey guys, this morning I removed the 12v battery from my 2002 Prius. The car has not seen much use recently or ever lol It barely broke 80K miles this year, but I have been dealing with P3191 for a while now. What I usually do is just take off as soon as the engine turns, and that keeps the car going the rest of the day. I always felt that the cold weather worsened this. I read an old post saying that if the 12v battery isn't above 12v then it might have trouble starting the computer and gas engine? Even after charging the battery overnight, the OBD reads 11.8-9v before starting the car in the morning. The free AutoZone battery test said the battery was bad, but I'm not sure how trustworthy it is.

    In some of the old posts I read they mention P3191 as being combustion engine related, but I have replaced the sparkplugs, and engine air filter a few years ago at 60K miles, its had an oil and oil filter change recently at Valvoline, though I should check if they overfilled it... maybe clean the MAF sensor and throttle body?

    I am ultimately looking to sell my beautiful Prius, what would be a good battery replacement that does not look so out of place.
     

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    Yup, those are the correct ones. P3191 in a gen 1 means that the engine has been cranking at the right RPM for more than the allowable time (based on the coolant temperature) without starting (i.e., without producing power to turn itself instead of being cranked).

    The code doesn't tell you why it cranked so long without starting. That's old-school gasoline engine diagnosis. Good compression, the right fuel mixture, good spark at the right time, those are the necessary ingredients. Any of them being off can be a problem.
     
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    Do s search for P3191 and P3006 as a first step.

    P3131 calls for a MAF sensor cleaning, a fairly straightforward DIY job. I removed the MAF sensor from my '02 and spritzed it thoroughly with MAF cleaner (CRC Mass Air Flow Sensor Cleaner); let it dry and re-install. This cleared up the P3191 for me. You can also inspect the throttle body for that little oil puddle down in the throat below the butterfly valve; sop that up with a rag securely tied to a stick.

    Exercise due care handling the MAF sensor. It's an expensive part, so don't go poking around any orifices, but it is important to spray every accessible nook and cranny.

    If the oil level is above the full mark, drain out a pint. If overfilled, then hopefully it didn't contaminate the pollution control apparatus. When I do my own oil changes, which is always, I never use more than 3.5 quarts, and a new filter.

    The P3006 indicates a problem with the HV battery. Since you say you don't drive the car much, the HV may just need to be charged up to spec. State-of-charge (SOC) on the HV battery in this vehicle is 60-80%, IIRC. I'd drive the car for about 50 miles, which should take care of charging both the 12V and the HV batteries. I wouldn't invest in a new 12V just yet. 11.8 volts is sufficient to boot the hybrid system, and start the car (which, of course, is done by the HV battery, not the 12V). The AutoZone test may or may not mean anything, as it undoubtedly assumes that the 12V actually cranks the starter motor.

    This isn't to say that your '02 might not need more work, as ChapmanF noted above. But heck, 80K miles is practically a new car! I'd try these simple "fixes" before sinking $$ into your nice car!
     
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    I dun᠎no about that puddle of oil there, every Prius has it, it's the badge of Miller-cycle Priusdom. If you sop it up you've simply made room for a new puddle of oil. If it interfered with the engine starting, Prii would all be paperweights.
     
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    True enough. I don't bother with mine any more, although early on I did attempt to wick it up. It's awkward to access because of that spring-loaded butterfly, and, as you imply, probably not worth the effort.
     
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    In re: the P3191, this thread might be helpful. See especially the comments after the video.

    P3191 Code, Mass Airflow Sensor Replacement | Toyota Prius Forum

    I didn't remove the air filter box like in the video, as it's possible to remove the MAF sensor with a stubby Phillips-head and/or a right-angle drive P-head.
     
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    I had already bought this supposedly high rated and best selling battery tester on Amazon for less than $20, and it tells me that the 12v battery is good, so I guess that's that. lol I cleaned the terminals and posts with CRC contact cleaner and put the battery back.

    Next I removed the MAF sensor, cleaned the connectors, and used CRC MAF cleaner on the actual sensor. I was thorough.

    I then took a picture of the throttle body, not sure if you guys think cleaning it would make a difference?

    Like I said, I also changed the air filter and spark plugs (DENSO #3324 Iridium SK16R11) almost 20K miles ago, but maybe I should revisit these.

    Anyway, P3191 immediately flashed and the car failed to start on its own, I then restarted the car and immediately took off and drove for a bit. That's the thing that confuses me, the car drives fine up and down SoCal, it's just this issue of initially starting the car once it has sat overnight let alone a few days.

    I checked out the Dr. Prius app, and it does not seem to do much, just seemingly random green bars every few seconds lol Hybrid battery was replaced with the cheapest Greentec option back in February 2021, so hopefully its all good still.

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    Looks like battery block #19 is defective (reading low), and block #1 is high!. The Greentec is out of warranty, unfortunately. Also, that throttle valve butterfly is oil-fouled.
    The plot thickens.
     
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    Okay, I'm on it!
     
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    The oil dipstick marks almost a half inch ABOVE the max dimple, but I did just drive it around and the car usually sits looking down the driveway incline. I'll let the car sit on flat ground this afternoon and try again later.
     
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    Yeah, that's a lot. Let it sit level and read it cold. Below the dimple is OK.
     
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    So how bad is it?
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    Did you first wipe the dipstick before dipping it? If so, that is about ¾ quart over. If not wipe the dipstick and dip it again to see what you got.
     
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    Yes DAD, I know what I'm doing... Sheesh

    I always triple check as well lol
     
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    I didn't mean to cause offence, it is hard to know what people know and what they don't and from experience answering questions, I don't assume anything, that is all.
     
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    No offence taken, hahaha, I was just joking. My dad was actually helping me with the Prius. It's one of those things where if I don't involve him, then he just STARES at what I'm doing, and then I start dropping screws or sockets into the engine bay because he's making me nervous lol

    Anyway, I should have changed the oil myself instead of letting it get taken to Valvoline shop... lol

    Would the extra 3/4 of a quart they added be enough to "contaminate the pollution control apparatus" as @Trombone mentioned? Hopefully it is all as simple as draining it...
     
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    As I (mis)understand it, somewhere under the hood there’s a canister filled with carbon particles that’s part of the pollution-control business in the car, and it can get contaminated by, among other things, overfilling the engine oil. That’s why I said “ hopefully” you don’t (yet) have a problem caused by the severe overfill shown on the dipstick. If this were my car, I’d be down under it with a wrench and a drain pan ASAP to let at least a pint out of the oil pan! After draining some, the oil level should show somewhere between the two marks on the dipstick!
     
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    I thought I'd try an oil extractor, so I bought this one on Amazon for around $25
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    I was afraid that the line would get stuck in the dipstick tube, but no, it was super simple. Would have extracted it faster if I had remembered to start the car for a bit to warm the oil. I extracted a whole quart.

    To my surprise, the car started right up, so I then cleared the ECU.

    I hope that somehow solves my P3191 issue... lol
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    Perfect! Keep us informed as you go forward. Good show!
     
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    Going to keep it now? only 80k....

    i hope you called valvoline to get your money back..