Disease Prevention and Health Reseach

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Mar 29, 2025.

  1. tochatihu

    tochatihu Senior Member

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    These are topics of global importance, and discussions need not be limited to changing US policies. But neither should those be excluded. If we veer to far into political we may stumble but let's give it a shot. So to speak.

    The general:

    Burden of Disease - Our World in Data

    and some specifics:

    Report: US scientists lost $3 billion in NIH grants since Trump took office - Ars Technica

    The CDC buried a measles forecast that stressed the need for vaccinations
     
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    It'd be interesting to know about who you are and your history @tochatihu... Your postings give the impression of someone studying / monitoring the hybrid car community on PriusChat which is predominantly in the US and Canada. Are you a scholar at a Chinese University?

    I've enjoyed our conversations over the years, but am not clear on why you're here? Do you really drive a 2001 Prius? How many miles on it? Do you drive it every day? How do you get past the Chinese internet sensors?
     
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  3. tochatihu

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    Focus on measles. Global incidence in 2025 so far:


    Measles - number of reported cases

    Their map is not loading for me right now, but I believe it shows Democratic Republic of Congo with >300,000. Gosh.

    Why are these outbreaks happening?

    Episode #133 - Measles: a growing threat

    "So measles is on the rise because not enough children have been vaccinated. There was a big fall in the number of children being vaccinated during the Covid-19 pandemic and so, there is a big gap in our immunity. About 22 million children missed out completely on their measles vaccine in 2023."

    This link lists top 10 countries so far:
    Global Measles Outbreaks | Global Measles Vaccination | CDC

    Readers may be most familiar with current US having 530 cases:
    Multistate measles outbreak crosses 450 cases, with possible international spread | CNN

    But Canada is not far behind with 496:
    Measles and Rubella Weekly Monitoring Report — Canada.ca
     
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  5. tochatihu

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    Focus on me :)

    "PriusChat which is predominantly in the US and Canada." So it is. Global Prius are (last I saw) have been 60% N America, 30% Japan 10% Europe. Other markets are smaller, but I see these most days in Sleepy Kunming, China.

    "Do you really drive a 2001 Prius?" I really did from 2001 to 2008, then gave it to a friend of mine is US who has since died. It was sold from his estate and I don't know if it persists. I hope that Tochatihu does. When last seen > 120,000 miles on odometer. During those years I must have done something here of note for Toyota Inc, as they funded my travel to Detroit when the Better Prius was introduced. Some of that is in PriusChat's archives. I was a cheerleader, but also advised PriusChatters to push Toyota to pay beyond warranties for some problems faced by early adopters. On balance, it was a pleasant surprise that they threw any money my way.

    "Are you a scholar at a Chinese University?" I work with a few of them.

    "Or working for the CCP?" It's actually the same thing. In China, all universities are part of 'the government'. All have political officers; none of whom I have met. If "working for" is meant to imply spying or something like that, no, I don't, and have never been asked to. Honest :)

    "How do you get past the Chinese internet sensors?" First answer is, I don't. Second answer is, if I need to access science information blocked here, I go to others who have VPNs. Third answer is, gosh, you may not know that many rest-of-world's websites block access from China. Censors (sometimes called sensors) work both ways! This might not be known to all.

    PriusChat is the internet place I bother/enlighten most. Because many folks here are very technical and interested in the future. Also because a few posters clinging to the past teach us all how people detached from science think.

    Is there is another internet chat where clever and hobbled minds intersect so interestingly? Tell me, and I'm off, and y'all can talk about your cars.
     
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    We met twice and Tochatihu was the only other Prius I'd seen with a DC-to-AC inverter. I adopted the practice of a small, floor jack instead of those cheesy scissors jacks. We and a dozen Prius people toured the Georgetown KY Toyota plant and if I remember correctly, a picnic in Cincinnati. But I have a question about medical research.

    For over a century, our country has funded medical research and made important discoveries. With the vandals destroying our medical research institutions, which countries come next?
    • France?
    • UK?
    • India?
    Bob Wilson
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Don't recall which, but one of the big pharma companies is from a Northern European country.
     
  8. tochatihu

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    I do not agree that biomedical research or health-care delivery is 'over' in US. Crimped a bit in some ways by new policies; sure. But consider the so many people who dedicate their lifes' work to these areas. It is and will continue to be meaningful for them. If US 'crimps enough', some who see pathways might emigrate. Others will find a way to keep going.
     
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    We can start by watching how that plays out for the so many people who had dedicated their lifes' work to public service.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    In general, industry focuses on applied research; work on bringing something to market. The basic research that provides the ideas and leads for applied research is mostly paid for by the government and universities. The research spending level in the US has remained relatively the same through the years, but the trend has the levels shifting to applied. Long term that moves away from making new things, and making stuff others discovered cheaper.
     
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  12. tochatihu

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    Autism:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/16/syndicate-kennedy-pledges-to-figure-out-which-environmental-toxins-are-causing-autism-00293583

    This brings to mind a concept called "catch per unit effort". Originated I guess in studies of fisheries and has spread more widely in ecology. As concepts often do. It means if you put out more nets in more places, you will catch more fish. To use 'fish catch' as a measure of population sizes, catch effort must be corrected for.

    It is my understanding that in recent decades, definition of autism has been expanded, and efforts to identify autistic people (children mostly) have also expanded. More nets.

    In the link above, RFK Jr,. asserts those thnigs have not happened or are not responsible for more autism found. It might not be that he has read all literature on this topic.

    A preconceived certainty that new and novel environmental chemical exposure is not, umm, ideal basis to approach scientific testing. It does suggest a search for an 'animal model' for autism, that could be challenged by various chemicals alone or in combination. That would be science.. NIH and HSS are US Govt agencies well poised to do it, or fund Universities.

    If funding were available.
     
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  14. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Concur!
    THIS is why there should be an air-gap between the US Government and SOME (not all) research.
    We've ALREADY SEEN what happens when the US throws money at the 'lowest overseas bidder' for disease research!!! :cautious:


    Funny I do not see much data on the EU's money $cience?
     
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    There are obvious disadvantages to Universities obliged to act according to Govt control. While feeling dismay over this, readers are asked to consider whether Universities in other countries are being moved in that direction.
     
  16. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Well, playing the other side of the argument......ask Havad the same question!!
    Universities would be MORE FREE if they could divorce themselves from gov'mint money - including their 501(c) bucks.

    AND YES....Churches too.
     
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    Perhaps we need to revisit the original intention of non profit status
     
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    Led by those who think food is the same as medicine with not one bit of empirical understanding. For example: Anti-vaxxers are touting another new Covid ‘cure’ – drinking urine. But they are not the only obstacles to ending the pandemic | Arwa Mahdawi | The Guardian

    US anti-vaxxers are now urging people to drink their own urine to fight coronavirus. Over the weekend, Christopher Key, the leader of an anti-Covid-19 vaccine group called the “Vaccine Police”, posted videos online extolling the health benefits of what he described as “urine therapy”. According to the wizard of wee, there is “tons and tons of research … [and] peer-reviewed published papers on urine”; so if you do your own pee-search you will discover it is God’s own antidote to Covid-19. “This vaccine is the worst bioweapon I have ever seen,” Key said. “I drink my own urine!”

    Bob Wilson