... the kindler-gentler traffic ticket revenue program ~

You mean: "Do the crime and pay the fine, aka: posted price."

If it's jail time that's different. But I don't know any counties or states that give speeders nights in jail instead of fines.

 

Well, I don't know what all should go into determining fines for infractions or punishments for felonies. That seems like something judges and criminologists spend a lot more time thinking about than I do. But I don't think many of them have concluded that "just the same thing for every case, never mind any details" turns out to be what works best.

 

Try passing a State Trooper at 165 mph.

 

In my Prius, I could maybe do that if the trooper was going 75 mph ... in the other direction.

 

Not to sound mean. I think you probably have a pretty good point. But why do you keep jumping around on the topic? I guess I do too, but I'm pretty sure the original topic wasn't about murder, it wasn't about jail time nor was it about letting poor people drive around at 165 mph for free.

Why can't you simple acknowledge that getting your average speeding ticket is a fine for money, money that anyone can decide whether it's worth it to them or not, as well as a point or two off that person's license, which, okay, is the real speeder stopper here?

 

In my jurisdiction; anything over 100 mph can land you in jail - Not speeding but reckless driving. It's also dependent on how much "lip" you give the officer. They usually back it down to 99 mph - still a pretty large fine. Ya both get something; no extra paperwork for the officer and you don't go to jail. That was multiple decades ago.......

I don't know if Montana and/or Idaho still has it on the books - "excessive consumption of fuel" instead of speeding.

YMMV

 

Whataboutism.... Whataboutism - Wikipedia

 

What Newsom is trying to do will be shot down.

 

Here's a whataboutism

Looking at the article it seems kind of pointless in a way: 11 to 15 mph over the speed limit results in a find of $50 for rich, $25 for middle class and $10 for poor. For 16 to 25 mph over is double those prices ($100, $50 and $20), and above 25 is twice again ($200, $100 and $40).

I was charged $180, which was double fines for school zone, for going 9 mph, so $90 for going 9 mph. So 9 mph in Colorado 9 is equivalent more than 25 mph in California once you count for inflation. Now how is that fair? I'd take the 9 mph = $0 fine.

 

Sorry, but speeding tickets cost "WAY" more than what you posted in CA.

 

I was citing the article in question. If you have specific information then share it. "'WAY' more" isn't really that helpful.

 

Done.
How Much Is a Speeding Ticket in California? - NerdWallet
Fairly recent....

^ I have a brother who is languishing behind the tinsel curtain....and if anything those numbers may be on the low side in certain parts.

SO...ticket for 9-over in a school zone:
In the PRC (people's republic of california) you're looking at.....
$234 ($35 base fee + court penalties/fees)

Plus the 'doubling' which even in the horrible Mad-Max inspired So-Cal "might" only double the base fee.......but then again....might not.

SO 9-over might "only" be $269.....plus the insurance points.

You just answered your own question.
Both of them.

Yes.
Wealthy people have options that poor people do not - but those options are not unlimited.
They DO have to pay attention to points and suspensions just like norms and poorer people.
There are also diminishing returns to consider.
Do you think that Elon Musk has enough money to keep some liberal judge from assessing him the FULL POINTS for speeding?
How about the automatic suspension for driving over 100mph?

Somehow...I do not 'think so.'
The same judge 'may or may not' show the same regard for the law if they catch the person who burns his car out while he's in the courtroom.
YOU be the.....um.....'judge'


Bonus Question:
Are wealthy people HAPPIER?

I would think that there are diminishing returns HERE as well....
I have a relatively wealthy Aunt (8 figures) whose sister is living solely on SS with a little help from her son.
ALL four sisters are VERY close, and very happy for octogenarians.
The aunt whose sole income is from SS (my mom's twin sister) lives with my 'happiest' uncle (82) who nearly golfs his age, and is one of the wisest people I know - despite lacking a formal education....and maybe even a high school diploma.
All four have 'wealth' related advantages by living in the land of the free, and some circumstantial bennies because they live in a solid midwestern state that is well managed.
Genetics help too.

My mileage.
YOURS will probably vary.

 

leon can afford a chauffeur

 

People who get tickets for driving 100mph generally prefer to take the wheel themselves.

 

Why the liberal judge point? Do think a conservative judge would show Musk more mercy than the liberal judge and allow him to use his money to keep the judge from assessing him the FULL POINTS for speeding? Or, do you think, that a conservative judge would show more mercy towards MUSK than he would towards a liberal who did the same thing?

So now we've gone from being partial, due to a law, between poor and rich to being partial, due to personal feelings, between liberals and conservatives.

All I can say is in the end no one will be happy whatever they do in California.

 

Long, sad history.
Liberal judges are more apt to be more activist minded.

Um.....that didn't happen JUST NOW, in case you were off somewhere during the 1900's.....or 1800's.......or 1700's........

Could not agree more!!!

 

someone must be happy, let's hear from our cali friends

 

A HISTORY LESSON??? Nawww; why ya' come up with dat??? "We don't need no ed-du-ma-cation; or thought control. Thought are a hazards in the classroom......." That's how the world works, and around, and around we go..... I believe that's the definition of something.

Seriously; that's the purpose of fines; to remind us that we F**-up and got caught. Hopefully we learn from our mistakes - but some knuckle-heads are harder than others and need to blame others for their own actions or inaction...

Enjoy... YMMV

Sorry; too many shrooms this morning....

 

Reading and context are important here....
I do not think anyone is implying that there are no people who are (or who mistakenly think) they are happy behind the tinsel curtain.

RTFT.....
(read the F....um...."full" thread....)

There's supposed to be the non stoner variety out now.....but I suppose that such a thing would be like decaffeinated coffee or non-alcoholic beer.....

What's the point?

 

I once attended a 2 day traffic school along with 30 other people. We all had to tell the "class" about what we got busted for in order to be assigned traffic school.

The story that was relevant to this thread was the guy who bought a brand new supercar in Gilroy and "test drove" it by driving down Highway 101 at speeds in excess of 120 MPH all the way to King City. That's 73 miles before the police could not stop him. They finally halted him with spike strips.

He was proud of his accomplishment. He was rich enough that the fine was a pittance in comparison to his daily earnings. His lawyer worked a deal with the DA to drop the charges to something that was irrelevant.

The person who was most impacted by the speeding ticket was the guy who had to take a day off work for the class and still had to pay a week's earnings as the "court costs" .

The one least impacted was the rich guy with the supercar and good lawyer.

I came out right about the middle of the crowd. I learned enough about speeding and it's unintended impact that it finally caused me to change my driving pattern. That was after driving for more than 15 years and averaging around 3 points per year on my license.

If I were trying to change people's driving pattern I'd make the fines equal regardless of wealth and influence. Case in point, Melvin Belli was a famous lawyer who was busted for DUI. He refused the blood and breath tests, for which his license was revoked for a year. He hired a chauffeur to drive him everywhere, including to court. He fixed a martini for the ride home every day. At the end of his suspension he got his license back.

My friend had the opposite experience. Marty lived 15 miles out of town and lost his license due to a DUI. His only transport was a 10 speed bike to get to the nearest bus stop halfway to town. He not only stopped driving under the influence he stopped drinking for life.