2007 Prius - Misfire Cylinder 1

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by KitsuneVoss, Dec 18, 2024.

  1. ChapmanF

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    Well, it was super easy in my gen 1 without a scan tool, just pull the CIR OPN relay out of the front fuse box and stick a jumper between the two wide slots in the relay socket.

    Not as easy in gen 2 because the C/OPN relay is one of the four relays combined into "Unit C" in the fuse box (which has a big letter B on it, and should not be confused with Unit B, which has a big letter C). Anyway it's the one with four blank fillers on the top instead of four fuses. Would have to lift that item out of there and bring 12 volts to the red wire 3G pin 8.

    Or just plug in a scan tool with active-test capability, put the car IG-ON (but not READY), and tell the scan tool to please turn the fuel pump on. :)

    Maybe some would prefer to pop the back seat and bring 12 volts right to the pump. In gen 1 that was more trouble than popping the relay out.

    I see in gen 3 it's about the same deal as gen 2; the C/OPN relay is one of a four-fer module in the front fuse box. Bring 12 volts to the red wire 1B pin 8. (Or just tell a scan tool to please turn the pump on.)
     
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    That B00061 illustration is really terrible at conveying information.

    After staring at it for several minutes it seems to be trying to say "don't let the O-ring shift out of its groove during installation" (assuming there is a groove - not clear in the picture), with the bottom two being somehow different ways the O-ring can move incorrectly. The thing is, there would be no way to see the O-ring's position, good or bad, because once the injector is in the installer's view of it is completely blocked by the injector and the pipe. So what's to be gained from the illustration?

    The written installation notes that say that the injector should be able to rotate smoothly are better. That at least gives the installer some useful information about what it should feel like when it is correctly installed, since what it looks like won't be very helpful. As a corollary, if three of the injectors all spin the same, and one doesn't, that would be a pretty good clue to pull that one out and try again.
     
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    Insight. :) They show you the secret view of what you can't see, so that when you see other parts of the instructions, like "twist after installing and check that it turns freely", you go "ah yeah, I get what they're wanting me to check!".
     
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    Having a good bidirectional scanner beats yanking on wires every time.

    Regardless "all is well that ends well" which begs the question - did injectors fix it?
     
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    Techstream?
    If so, do you know what screen it is on?

    At least it seems to sound better when she drove it.

    Edit: Extra question. I have a plastic zip lock bag with four fuel injectors that look to be plugged up.
    One place I found costs $25 per fuel injector to recondition. Not sure it is even worth it at that although who knows with certain situations going on. Should I get them rebuilt?
     
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    Select the engine system, find the Active tests menu. In the drop-down list, select the desired test.


    Cleaning an old injector for 25 is not rational. It is better to buy a new one.
     
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    Thanks. . . . .Been a while since I ran Techstream and could not remember the screen.
     
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    I would not spend the money trying to repair injectors you will never need again. I might keep them especially if you know which three were good.
     
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    I think it may be more than one that are clogged from the looks of the spray head (if that is the right term)
    I also ordered a two full set of Prius injectors because I might want to do mine as well.

    I bought some things I thought I might need due to impending situation with the tariffs.
     
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    Around the 25 dollar price point, your only choices are going to be quality injectors that have been restored, or new really cheap ones.

    About $19 per injector was what I was paying a dozen years ago* when we had PriusChat circulating restored injectors. When we started, there weren't as many sellers offering restored sets to purchase.

    One thing I still liked about getting the originals restored was getting the before/after test results back. Those could be reviewed against how the engine was acting before, and help to either confirm that the injector restoration has solved the problem, or to keep aware that there may still be some other issue.

    I'm not sure what documentation you get when buying a set of purportedly restored injectors.

    I would still probably prefer a restored actual Denso to a new knockoff or counterfeit at the same price point.

    If you don't have any use for the old ones, perhaps it would be worth contacting one of the businesses that offer restored sets for sale to see if they want them.


    * so it's gone up around 25% in a dozen years, or an inflation rate around 1.88%—lower than most other prices over the time period. :)
     
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    I think my restored ones were like $38 each from Rock Auto. A bit more than eBay for restored Denso but nothing crazy.
    I am just afraid that $25 each + shipping might jump into the Rock Auto price.

    Thanks to Max and RJ Parker for telling me how to activate the fuel pump without starting the car. The idea never even occurred to me that it can be done via techstream or I would have used it. One video the guy started the car and the others had no test to the video. Maybe I should film one myself if I do my car to have a better video out there.
     
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    Drove the car 14 to 15 miles, Walmart and back with a couple of stops. I do not reset my MPG when I fill up but my roommate does. Was at around 370 and at 36.8 mpg when I left. By the time I got home, was at 37.3 and the gas consumption on the gauge looked normal. I have gotten a feel for what looks right or not over time. I do however know how to milk a Prius for better MPG compared to my roommate. She tends to be far more of a lead foot than I do. Otherwise, sounds pretty good and seemed to start up smoothly. No misfire "Rattle" as far as I can tell. When I stopped at the post office, I used a flashlight to check down by the rails and no gas.as far as I could see. There were no codes driving to Walmart and back. Hopefully everything is good.

    Based on that and being I have a second set of fuel injectors, likely to do mine within a week or two.
     
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    Roommate drop it to work and back.
    I drove it to get inspected today as well.
    It looks like the codes have gone way.

    MPG is also up to almost 40 mpg
     
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    Just replaced my fuel injectors on my 2006. I used the techstream instead of starting the engine. That worked although I destroyed some upper o-rings when I tighten the rail down too tight. Almost just hand tight.

    I ran out of time last night so could not try to start the car until this morning. Started but suddenly started getting every code under the sun including P3190 and P2195 and had a red triangle. Engine shut down. Would not start it and techstream was telling me "Engine fails to start." Gave it a few minutes and the car started. Let it run a little while and then tried to drive it. In the middle of driving, got the red triangle. Would have been less than 3 miles. Did that while going up to 55 mph.

    Limped to a church parking lot and was barely able to make it. Gave it a few minutes and able to clear the codes. Did not have techstream while driving, just a handheld device. Drove home at 35 mph but seemed to do okay and brought it up to 43 but on a road that cannot do any faster safely than that. Seemed to do okay though.

    Decided to take the car out again. I did 29.1 miles total according to google maps on that trip with no codes other than the catalytic converter code. Have a new cat ready to install but need to find a shop than can do it without robbing the bank. Seems okay now. Drove up to 61 mph with 55+ for extended periods. Stopped periodically to check the rail area to make sure I saw no signs of leaks.

    Does anyone know what was going on this morning? Is there something I should have done after installing the new fuel injectors afterwards (To prevent this from happening)?

    I do plan to clean my MAF/MAP sensor when I get a chance.
     
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    MAFS and MAPS are two different things.

    MAFS is a mass airflow sensor.
    MAPS is a manifold absolute pressure sensor.

    The Gen 2 does not have a MAPS.
     
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    That really shouldn't be a thing. The rail spacers should be in place under the rail and those bolts, so even if you overtighten, you might risk breaking the bolts but it won't change how the rail sits.

    If O rings got mangled they probably weren't in the rail right to begin with ... illustrations back in post #14.