Gen 2 C1256 low accumulator pressure -- help verify part numbers for fix?

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    My 2008 Prius has code C1256 and the pump runs about every 10 seconds... No ABS or Check Engine light yet, though.

    I have a friendly Toyota mechanic who will do the work for a good price for me, and get me dealer pricing on the parts... but he wants part numbers so we can get them on the way.

    The shop is far away and the hasn't been formally diagnosed, but... Assuming I have the classic C1256 problem I believe the best practice is to replace the "master cylinder" and the "actuator assembly," correct? Can someone help me verify the correct part numbers for a 2008 Gen 2?

    This is what I have so far.

    Master cylinder assembly 47200-47020
    https://parts.olathetoyota.com/oem-parts/toyota-master-cylinder-assembly-4720047020

    Actuator assembly -- I see references to THREE parts!

    Original version: 44500-47141 -- Not what you want, it was redesigned.

    Newer version: 04003-44647 -- The replacement part per this bulletin. I assume this is what I want.

    Even newer version? 44510-47051 -- I have seen this discussed on forums but it is unclear if this applies to a 2008 Gen 2. OEM parts sites don't even have anything under this number!
     
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    In gen 2 I have not heard of much need to replace the master cylinder. The gen 2 M/C is conventional and very simple. Nearly all the interesting stuff is glommed together into the actuator assembly. (The stroke simulator is off someplace else, but I don't hear much about that needing attention either.)
     
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    I've read many times 'round here and other places that it is "best practice" to replace both, though I've not yet seen an EXPLANATION for that. If it's one of those things were you might as well since you've sunk labor cost I'm still OK with it.

    Google's AI search "helper" says that it's best to do both, as it is possible for the failing accumulator to damage the master cylinder, but for all I know that is a hallucination!

    For the actuator ... Is -44647 the way to go or do I need to find the un-orderable-new -47051 ?
     
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    You've quite possibly read a lot that was about gen 3. In gen 3 the master cylinder and the actuator and the booster and the brake ECU are a single assembly, while the booster pump (note that 'booster' and 'booster pump' are different things) and accumulator make up a different assembly, and both of those two assemblies can contribute when pressure isn't being held.

    But if you're talking about a gen 2, the booster pump and accumulator and actuator are all combined in one assembly that is pretty much where most of what can go wrong is, and the master cylinder in gen 2 is a dead-simple conventional one—lacking even a booster—more like you'd find on a car of the '60s.

    I'm not at all surprised that an AI would come up with some cockamamie result, given the number of significant differences between Prius generations that it would hardly know to keep apart in all the internet text it has ingested.
     
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    Thanks, that's very helpful!
     
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    Unfortunately the only references this part number I can find are on sites like ebay, for used parts. No OEM shops list 44510-47051. Toyota.com doesn't even know this part number.

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    Someone posted that they got it from Group 1 but they do not have it either. (and their parts search looks suspiciously like the Toyota dealers.)

    Edit to add:

    This may be a case where x051 actually isn't the real part number, @ChapmanF posted about that here.

    ABS actuator part numbers | PriusChat

    OK and another user in that thread called a dealer and confirmed 44500-47141 was the current part number. Then they said:

    So I ordered a brand new 44500-47141. The receipt shows 44500-47141. The Toyota box has 44500-47141 on the label. The part inside is labelled 44510-47051.

    So, I guess I should order 44500-47141.
     
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    When you order it from the parts department, it'll be under part 44500-47141. The reason is because this part is sold with a resistor. And because of that, Toyota had to create a part number for you to purchase with the resistor.

    So when you order 44500-47141, it'll come with the actuator part 44510-47051 and the resistor
     
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    I find it strange you can't buy it without the resistor. I changed the resistor when I did mine but I didn't find any issues with the old resistor. All the values were very similar to the new one. And to top it off, it's a pain in the butt to change it under the dash
     
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    I'll discuss the resistor issue with the mechanic. It seems plausible a resistor could last for a long, long time.
     
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    Or it will come with an actuator part, that happens to have a number 44510-47051 visible on it that may never have been its part number, but may be an engineering number, a number for one of its component parts that happens to be on a surface that's visible after assembly. etc.
     
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    The service bulletin states that 44500-47141 is replaced by 04003-44647.

    But here in 2025 I guess the actual 44500-47141 is simply not available, and if you order it, you get whatever the current replacement is?
     
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    04xxx- numbers are numbers of kits Toyota puts together to conveniently supply some things often needed together.

    It's always worth looking to see if there is some 04xxx- kit that includes the thing you're looking for, because it will often include some other miscellaneous bits, like gaskets maybe, that you'll need anyway and that would otherwise be a la carte, and also because, surprisingly enough, the kit often has a much lower price than the thing alone.
     
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    Cool, that is new info to me!

    It remains confusing though, as 44500-47141is the actuator with resistor, and 04003-44647 isn't listed as including anything else.
     
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    I'm not sure how many conclusions I'd be confident in drawing from the level of detail that's in the accessible parts catalogs. (I don't even know how much better the dealer-accessible EPC is.)

    Often, an 04xxx- kit of something will have been announced in a Technical Service Bulletin about some issue. Sometimes if you go and find that TSB it will list what's supposed to be in the kit. Otherwise it might be like a mystery package until you open it.

    The resistor I used to think they included because they had matched the resistance to the properties of each pump motor. But the resistor has its resistance in milliohms stamped on it, and I haven't read of anybody here seeing any that didn't have the exact same number stamped on. The resistance of old ones, when measured, doesn't seem to have changed or anything. Bit of a mystery to me why there's a new one in every box.
     
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