Please tell me, what should the ECU data flow and EGR be like?

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  1. ChapmanF

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    Your tool is pretending to show you data that a gen 3 Prius does not supply. Where your tool thinks it is getting those numbers would be interesting to learn. It may have mistaken a Prius for some other kind of car.
     
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    Indeed, the Prius has a lot of self-defined data
    But there are also standard data
    Common to all cars
    P0XXXThese are general data
     
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    You have said two things (that there are standard data, and that P0 codes are standardized) that are both correct, but not on point. The data you were showing in your photo in post 1 do not appear to correspond to any of the EGR data that a Prius will report. It seems likely the scan tool has a problem.

    Here are the two live-data values the gen 3 Prius does in fact report pertaining to EGR:

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    Also, the reading from the MAP sensor (a reasonably standard PID) can be of use when diagnosing EGR.

    Its usefulness is greatest when you have a scan tool that can issue active test commands, so that you can view the MAP reading response as you command changes to the EGR position. Without the ability to command changes, interpretation is difficult.

    The most useful information you can get from the car about EGR is the result of the Mode 6 EGR test, where the car performs its own valve position changes, observes the MAP reading response, and summarizes the results for you as a test outcome.
     

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    The scanner shows EGR_PTC (%) of 0, which would correspond to the Target EGR Position 0%: Idling, which means the ECU thinks that the EGR valve is closed. This makes perfect sense.

    The scanner shows EGR_ERR (%) of -100.0, does not correspond to the EGR Step Position shown in the Toyota Prius manual. So, the data shown in the scanner does not make any sense.
     
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    The expected difference in EGR is expressed as a percentage
    Not step by step
     
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    Then what does -100.0% mean? Why does it have a negative sign? Interpret to me what your scanner is saying in English.

    All of the data that you can access through the OBD2 port is data that is located in the many ECUs in the car. ChapmanF looked at the Toyota service manual and copied the two parameters that are stored for the EGR valve in one of the ECUs. Your generic scanner is retrieving this data, and then it presents it on the scanner screen with a text description. The data for EGR_PTC seems to be accurate. Your scanner is not interpreting the data for the second parameter correctly. The second parameter can only have a valve from 0 to 120. It can not be -100.0%.

    Wait until you have Techstream working and compare the data for the EGR valve between the scanner and Techstream.

    There appears to be a few problems with the scanner that you are using.
     
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    The current situation is that I ran a high-speed round trip of about 300 miles.
    EGR works normally and opens differently at different speeds.
    Normal idling operation
    When the high-voltage battery needs to be charged, the engine begins to vibrate as if it is missing a cylinder.
    Return to normal after charging is completed
    When the engine shakes, it will stop shaking immediately if you step on the brakes.
    I thought it was a vacuum leak, but I checked and said it wasn't vacuum-assisted brakes.
    But there is indeed a relationship between braking and vibration
    Is this like a circuit problem? The fault code is also randomly reported as 1/2/3/4 misfire. The intake valves of the four cylinders are equally clean, and the atomization feels very good. There has also been 0219A. It seems that I need to test the injector of cylinder 1.
     
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    Google responses to hybrid engine problems are generic and are rarely correct for a Prius. A Prius has no egr position feedback. It does have an automatic test that runs almost every drive cycle that will vary the egr position and look for map sensor and other engine changes. It can detect flow when there should be none or the opposite.

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    Note P0401 can represent high flow rate or low flow rate, eg flow when there should not be any at low rpms or no flow when there should be flow.

    With a good bidirectional scanner you can manually do the "EGR Step Position Active Test" while observing the map pressure sensor. You will find the engine will run rough and even stall if you command the egr valve open enough at idle. I have never seen misfires or rattling doing this worse case egr flow test.
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    Step on the brake and a Toyota hybrid engine stops. No vibration. Step on the gas, the engine starts. If you have a sticking open egr valve the engine will run rough but rarely if ever misfire.

    This roughness caused by a sticking open egr can be diagnosed by blocking the egr flow, which you probably have already done. A sticking egr valve needs a new valve as some internal parts are known to wear.

    If blocking the egr flow does not eliminate the engine start misfires and rattles 100% the egr is not the problem.
     
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    Manually opening EGR will reduce the speed instantly, and pressing it down again will cause rough operation and even want to stall. The EGR valve moves in and out smoothly. After high-speed testing, EGR can now be ruled out.
    The engine does not stop running when I step on the brake, but the knocking sound stops immediately.
    Moreover, it feels a bit confusing now that the timing of engine intervention is a bit confusing. When the red light is on at 6-7 bars of power, the engine will start, and I haven't done anything, and the air conditioner is not turned on.
    All in all, it feels very confusing right now.