What should be tested and looked at when buying used ?

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  1. cDxA

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    What advice would you give to someone looking to buy a 2012 - 2015 Prius from either a dealer or a private seller ?
    I plan to buy an ODB code reader to test the battery health using the Dr Prius app.
    From what I have read though, the results can change day to day. ( Testing one day will show the battery as almost needing to be replaced, and testing the next day shows it as 'fine' )
    What should send up red flags as showing that the car has been tampered with ?
    How would I go about testing the head gasket without driving home with the car and taking it to a shop ?
    Is there a way to tell if there is a "head gasket repair fix in a bottle" kind of repair on the car ?
    From what I have read, there is a common problem with EGR valves clogging up.
    Is it easy to check ? I'm sure a dealer would be uncomfortable with someone removing parts to check, so is there any other tests for this ?
    How can I tell if the catylic converter has been replaced with an aftermarket one ?
    Does the original have any serial numbers and such I can look for ?
    What other things should I look at ?
    I am having a hard time finding cars with under 125k miles.
    Many are 165 - 180 k.
    How would this change things on what to look out for ?

    And now the introduction and excuses for why I'm posting questions that have already been answered here many times over :
    Hello everyone.
    First post. I did look at the newbie section and looked for any 'stickies' for this sort of question.
    I also noticed there are hundreds of posts to go though.
    I could do a search, but I had a few specific questions I wanted to ask rather than split this all up.
    Thanks for your patience.
     
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    Why do you want to buy a Gen 3 Prius when you know that there are three major problems that are very expensive to repair.

    1. Head gasket going bad at 150k+ miles.
    2. Hybrid battery replacement after 12+ years.
    3. The brake actuator developing an internal leak and needing to be replaced.

    Each of these problems will cost you $2,000 to $3,500 to fix by an independent mechanic and higher cost at a Toyota dealership.

    Do you plan on doing all repairs on the car yourself, or do you plan on taking it to a mechanic for repairs?
     
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    take it for a leak down test to see if the head gasket is blown
     
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    I don't understand your question.
    Are you saying that if I buy a 3rd gen Prius that these are the things I will have to replace on a car with 150k miles ?
     
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    yes, gen 3 is the worst vehicle toyota ever made. bad design, bad engineering, no testing. let the buyers do the testing for them.
     
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    A Gen 3 Prius has the three problems that I listed, which have a fairly high probability of occurring when the car has more than 150 miles. If you bought one of these cars new, you should not have any problems with it until you get above 150k miles. If you buy a Gen 3 Prius used, you can expect to have problems with one or maybe all three of the items I listed when you get above 150k miles. Don't buy a Gen 3 Prius, thinking that it will be reliable and problem free above 150k miles.

    If you do all the repairs yourself, and you get a very good deal on the car, then go for it.

    If you do not plan on doing the repairs yourself, then do not buy a used Gen 3 Prius. Buy a different car. The cost to repair an old hybrid car is very expensive if you do not fix it yourself. The Prius is one of the most complex cars made.

    Why do you want to buy a hybrid car? How many miles do you drive each year? How many years do you plan on keeping the car?

    By the way, I did not list the fourth big problem, which is the inverter. Toyota will fix that problem with a 20-year extended warranty. So,Toyota will fix it for free. If the inverter goes bad, it could leave you stranded along the road. Just have it towed to a Toyota dealership, and about a week later, you should get the car back free of charge.
     
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    So basically ticking timebombs that will leave you stranded at any moment ?
    My current car is 32 years old. ( Honda Civic EG ) Around 130k miles ( broken odo )
    So if my old car was a Prius, I would have had to possibly buy a least two new batteries and fixed a head gasket by now ?

    So unless a person makes lots of long drives, then these cars are just a huge disposable money pits?

    Why do I see so many of them ?
    And why do i see so many 200k + cars for sale at $8,500 - $9,000 ?

    I can replace the battery myself, but I'm not going to replace the head gasket myself.

    So this is the 'worst car Toyota ever made " ?
    I appreciate honesty, but this statement sounds unbelievable.

    Also, back to the original questions, how to I go about testing a used car for these problems before I buy ?

    - Thanks
     
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    a dealer can run a health check on the battery with toyota tech stream diagnostic software, and give you some idea of remaining life.
    most any shp can do a leak down test to make sure the head gasket isn't blown.
    idk if there's a way to test the brake actuator. most of us just listen to how often it runs to keep the pressure up. you can hear the pump run when you open the drivers door, and at times when using the brakes.
    tech stream might have a way of measuring it, i'm not sure.

    one thing to keep in mind, late 2014 and 2015's got upgraded pistons and rings after toyota finally recognized that they were of poor design.
    there's also a tsb on the water pump software that wasn't running the pump fast enough, possibly leading to hot spots and premature head gasket failure.
     
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    It is without doubt the worse hybrid Toyota ever made. 2010-2014 are an almost don't buy if you want reliability and low cost of ownership.

    Yes. Plus a $2500 brake booster with no aftermarket options.

    Many pros believe a hg job alone is risky on these engines and recommend a replacement engine to fix excessive oil burning and blown head gaskets.

    Flippers often use temporary head gasket sealers which can not be detected by a leak down test.

    Depending where you are in Texas, you may have lower cost independent shop options to perform future repair labor. Used batteries are often bought to save money but require mix and match serviceable modules to make functional for a year or two.
     
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    Because they were really quite good when they were new and young. They just haven't aged well at all.

    The earlier 2nd generation version aged more gracefully, and there are some signs that the 4th generation cars are back on track but it is still too early to tell.

    So when shopping for one, the first thing to look at is the calendar. Try to avoid owning one after it has hit its 15th birthday.

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    You're seeing people attempting to sell off their problems before they get any worse. If you are seeing these on dealer lots, you're seeing the result of people trading in their liabilities.

    The best economic use case for these cars is to buy new, heap the miles on them as fast as possible, and then get another after about 12 years. Hybrid technology helps you save gas. The more you drive, the more you save.

    If that doesn't line up with your intended usage then a hybrid may not be the best choice. To put it explicitly: if you want to pick a car to own over a long period of years while adding only a few miles per year? I'd strongly recommend sticking to a simpler non-hybrid car.

    But to answer your other questions with some detail: the best way to spot a failed head gasket in these cars is to pull the spark plugs, pressurize the cooling system with a test kit and insert a borescope into the plug holes and look for coolant seeping into the combustion chambers.

    The best way to check for headgasket-in-a-bottle is to remove the radiator, saw it in half and look for the gluey deposits. (Sorry, I just don't know of a less-destructive method)

    I don't have specific advice for the brake actuator. If the seller can show you receipts for brake fluid replacement, that would help, but even that isn't truly positive.

    Most mechanics can spot aftermarket catalytic converters, that's probably the easiest one.
     
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    If I was shopping and had to have a Prius. I would buy a 2019 L Eco... If that is out of your price range..... I would buy a Corolla.
    A gen 2 is good buy it depends on your needs. Speaking from personal experience....a Gen 2 2002 Range Rover is a Horrible choice as a daily driver...but it was a 3rd car and a toy....until it wasn't....and I sold it.
    IMHO If you use a car for transportation only it is a TOOL not a TOY...sometimes you can blend the 2. If you need more space maybe a Camry Hybrid....want more luxury?.....Avalon Hybrid....other wise if a golf cart or a motorcycle and good rain gear will work for you...then buy that.
     
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    Thanks everyone.
    So what about buying a 3rd gen Prius that has low miles ?
    I know I will still have to swap out the traction battery.
    Based on the ChrisFix video on YouTube, I'm confident this is something I could do.
    Why do I want a 3rd gen Prius and not a 2nd or 3rd ? Quite simply I prefer the look of the car, as well as the dash design.
    I also like the fact that a HUD is offered on some cars and other features that the 2nd gen does not have like ACC and sunroof.
    I even like the fact that you have that EV option for driving around a parking lot for a few hundred feet.
    I think this will be the last car I will ever own.
    I drive very little. ( Less thsn 700 per year )
    I know I will need to swap out batteries, but if I find a low miles 3rd gen, will it still crap out on me in 20 years if I keep the battery replaced and rarely drive the car ?
     
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    driving that little is not good for hybrids. is it just the looks, or is there something about a hybrid system that you like?
    my engine blew at 11 years old and 87k, so idk about low mileage being a safe option.
    and idk if the brake actuator is affected by miles or years or both
     
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    Do not buy any hybrid car if you only drive 700 miles per year.
     
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    Those are good reasons. Better still would be that the 2nd generation cars are all pretty tired at this point.

    With a fresh strong hybrid battery and zero air conditioning use, maybe. Many people new to the Prius overestimate the utility of this feature.

    You wouldn't be the first to fall into that trap with an old Prius.

    Almost certainly less than 20 years, especially in Texas heat. The batteries age out whether you put miles on them or not. I've likened it to buying an ice cream cone while walking through a park on a hot day. You don't have to eat the ice cream, but there's no saving it for later.

    At 700 miles per year you'll hardly save any money at all on fuel, but meanwhile you are exposing yourself to all the failure risk of a very high-tech car known not to age gracefully.

    That's a fundamental difference between a hybrid and a non-hybrid car.

    You've already identified the ideal car for your use case- A Honda Civic. Why not just get a somewhat newer one?
     
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    Get a 2nd gen Chevy Volt plugin for a low cost ev fix.
     
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    I wish you weren't joking.

    I have thought of that exact car.
    The battery is not DIY friendly at all, Then there is the Shift to Park problems, EGR issues, not to mention sudden unintended acceleration, and quality controls, etc.
    The 2nd gen is supposedly a much worse car overall.
    They are also about the same cost as a 3rd gen Prius in my region.

    My parents have a 2nd gen Prius. They drive about as much as I do ( maybe less ! ) They also live in Texas. The car has over 100k miles on it now.
    Average is 44 mpg.

    I hope the car is not cursed now.

    If I kept my Civic, I'd want to get an engine swap done.
    0 -60 in 6 - 6.5 sec, 50 mpg at 65 mph, and emissions just above Prius level when at cruise at 65 mph.
    But safety would be lacking.
     
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    2nd gen prius was a tank. it all went wrong third gen, fourth gen better but first couple years, leaky exhaust gas coolant recirc blew more than a few head gaskets and not covered by toyota.
    fifth gen looks good. so far.
     
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    If someone challenged me to daily drive a gen4 for three years to collect a pot of gold at the end, I would bypass the exhaust recirc without getting under the car (no parts required), drive it 100k and count my winnings.

    I was not kidding about the 2nd gen Volt. At least three times the car compared to a gen3 Prius with an equal improvement in reliability.
     
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    I haven't seen even one good comment about the 3rd gen Prius here.
    Are you guys just trolls from the Volt forum ?
    I have thought about a 2nd gen Volt, but see other opinions on the car.
    A lot say go for a Prius if you want something that is not going to break down.
    I'm concerned about the main battery not being able to be replaced by anything other than a dealership, whereas the Prius battery is an eas(ier) swap.
    Also software gliches.
    So you are saying that the Volt is more reliable ?

    So I hardly drive. I live in an apartment. I park on a driveway in the scorching Texas sun. I'd have to public charge
    All bad, bad , bad for EV battery life.

    However, here is what may change : My parents are aging and I plan to visit more often.
    - maybe once every two weeks.
    This is a 140 mile trip ( one way )
    When there, I can charge the car using their power.
    Back home, I MIGHT be able to rent an apartment garage to charge the car. ( Most likely this is a huge NO NO in the fine print )
    It is also an extra 1,100 a year $ to rent a garage !
    If no garage is an option, I can publc charge for a reasoable price if on s membership.

    I like the EV range, and it is much quicker .
    10 seconds to 60 doesnt give me much confidence to jump into traffic.
    The Volt can do it in just ovet 7 seconds.
    Im old enough to remember when a 'fast car' did 0-60 in that time, and I wouldn't be surprised if my old '69 Camaro did it in that with a 350 4 barrel !