DOJ Lawyer ABRUPTLY QUITS after Indictment

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  1. vvillovv

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    TN. law firms lawyer quits
    This is related to the Maryland Dad sent to one of El Salvadores Super Prisons.

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    youtu.be/z4i9p6g8wvw
     
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    And it's not just lawyers who quit but everyone who represents Trump in court got their license to practice law in a specific state and every time a judge says they can't believe that the lawyer is acting so pathetic and incompetent representing the president that lawyer gets reviewed by their state bar and a surprising number of them lose their license to practice law.

    Some legal scholars are suggesting that Trump's stupidity, if it endures long enough, will eventually run out of lawyers willing to represent him.

    But perhaps most astonishing of all is the number of federal prosecutors who have chosen to resign rather than do what he told them to do. At some point it's inevitable that those prosecutors are going to have far more successful/historic careers when the end times of MAGA finally arrive.
     
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    i thought that would happen during 'votergate'. but lawyers are like cockroaches, they just keep coming out of the woodwork
     
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    not sure i follow you. seems pretty complicated to me, let justice take its natural course, wherever that may lead
     
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    The admin is working to remove any check that cases have merit.

    This is to use the law of $$$$ wearing down opponents as opposed to actually having any merit
     
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    if they go through the courts, it will wind up like doge, and that won't maker their voters happy.
     
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    That's just it.
    Justice DID take its course.
    According to my understanding of the case:
    ....and I encourage a discussion, perhaps in another thread to see where my admittedly limited information might be flawed.

    The "Maryland Dad" (Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia) is an illegal immigrant, has a criminal record, and was ordered to be deported after the appropriate admin hearing in lieu of criminal prosecution in a criminal court. He was denied bail the first time because of his record, gang affiliation, AND because he was deemed a flight risk..
    Not sure what jurisdiction this was held in, but MSM does call him a "Maryland Dad."
    They ordered that he not be deported to El Salvador (his native country) because he belonged to............(wait for it!)........Mara Salvatrucha 13.....commonly referred to as MS-13.
    According to some sources...perhaps even transcripts, the Maryland "father of the year candidate for 2025" admitted to murdering the mother of a rival gang (Bario-18? I don't remember actually which one) and was thusly in some personal danger if deported to El Salvador.
    The Trump Admiration, being a Trump Administration, bobbled the snap on that one, and our MSM, being MSM rolled all in that story like a dog on a dead deer.
    The DNC, being the DNC sees this as a windmill that they simply MUST joust!!
    Ironically?
    They prove my theory that Trump's super-power is making his opponents act like........TRUMP!
    Both are REALLY REALLY bad at deciding which hill they want to die for.....

    @Mendel Leisk 'splainer: MSM=Main Stream Media - NOT to be confused with MS-NBC....

    Fun Fact:
    Many people think that Mara Salvatrucha 13, or MS-13 is an import product from El Salvador, like raw sugar, coffee, and (curiously) some electronics components (**).....
    They're not.
    Like my GMCs Mara Salvatrucha 13 is "Made in the USA" but from predominantly foreign parts.

    (**) Or?
    Maybe not-so-curiously......
    Belt and Road Initiative - Wikipedia
     
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    Or maybe if those claims are to be made in this thread then it's proper for them to have their factuality examined in this thread or for them to be retracted in this thread.
     
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    AG Releases Police Records Detailing Garcia’s Criminal History
    "This police record is likely what multiple immigration judges, as well as the Board of Immigration Appeals, relied on when finding that “the evidence shows that he [Garcia] is a verified member of MS-13.”
    Beyond being a verified member of MS-13 and an illegal alien, Garcia is an alleged domestic abuser. In 2021, his wife sought a domestic violence restraining order against him, claiming he punched and scratched her and ripped off her shirt."

    "As for Garcia, police recognized his clothing as “indicative of Hispanic gang culture,” and that he was a “member in good standing with the MS-13.” The same confidential informant told police that Garcia had the rank of “Chequeo” and the moniker “Chele.” In addition, the arrest record shows that Garcia was by his own admission an illegal alien from El Salvador who had entered the U.S. by walking across the border near McAllen, Texas, in March 2012. At the time of his arrest in Maryland while loitering outside a Home Depot, he had $1,178 in cash on him. Several plastic bottles containing marijuana were also found near the men after their arrest. "

    "On Wednesday, Attorney General Pam Bondi released police records showing Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, the “Maryland man” who was deported to his native El Salvador by the Trump administration, was in fact a member of MS-13 and was in the United States illegally."

    .... and it gets even better
    Kilmar Abrego Garcia charged with human trafficking: Recap
     
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    The trumped up charges made apparently only as a way of saving face for the administration, will be nearly impossible to prove.

    The prosecution will have to prove that he solicited payment for transporting aliens for profit.

    They would have to prove that he had expert knowledge in identifying who was an illegal alien.

    They would have to prove he was not just given gas money or a tip.

    Preforming as a "ritero" or operating an unlicensed taxi service does not make him a transporter of illegal aliens.

    Operating an Uber vehicle in the illegal alien community does not make him a transporter of illegal aliens.

    He would not be required to verify legal immigration status before accepting a passenger.
     
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    without getting into the weeds of all the claims being made here without proof, i reiterate, 'let justice take its course'.
     
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    1.Garcia was by his own admission an illegal alien from El Salvador who had entered the U.S. by walking across the border near McAllen, Texas, in March 2012.

    2.In 2021, his wife sought a domestic violence restraining order against him, claiming he punched and scratched her and ripped off her shirt.

    3.At the time of his arrest in Maryland while loitering outside a Home Depot, he had $1,178 in cash on him. Several plastic bottles containing marijuana were also found near the men after their arrest.
     
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    1) no proof. maybe yes, maybe no.

    2) i'm not qualified to know what that is that is posted on x. a judge can determine his criminal history and how it applies.

    3) again, no proof.

    why are we trying to litigate on social media?
     
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    I've been pretty good about doing that in all of my posts..... and stand fully ready to do so again.
    It would not be my first such error in facts, NOR would it be my last.

    Frankly?
    Even if I were forced to admit to being misinformed about the facts and opinions that posted in #9 above, then it would be a Pyrrhic victory for the Donkeys.

    Not their first this year.

    Careful what you wish for, pal.
    THAT's what I meant back in post #5.

    Heck...with any luck, Maryland's dad may be around for another 3 years! :)
     
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    Having. A domestic violence restraining order against him is not a conviction of domestic violence.

    Having $1,178 in cash in one's possession is not a crime. Most undocumented aliens do not have bank accounts, as do not many lower income US citizens.

    Found hear marijuana does not prove possession.
     
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    That "verified member of MS-13" is an especially interesting phrase to keep getting rewarmed.

    That article in The Federalist was April 17th, so it isn't something that brings new information to us for discussing the case in June. Beyond that, the "verified member" business was already looking pretty stale even at that time.

    The phrases "verified member" and "ranking member", originally found in a memorandum from a May 22nd, 2019 bond hearing, were later found in federal district court, on April 6th, 2025, to have "relied principally on a singular unsubstantiated allegation". A footnote in that court decision clarifies:


    5 The “evidence” against Abrego Garcia consisted of nothing more than his Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie, and a vague, uncorroborated allegation from a confidential informant claiming he belonged to MS-13’s “Western” clique in New York—a place he has never lived. ECF No. 31.

    The phrases reappear, zombie-like in their original wording, right on page 5 of Kristi Noem's/John Sauer's application to the Supreme Court to vacate that federal court decision. The Supreme Court didn't bite. The Supreme Court unanimously upheld the district decision except for a need to clarify the word 'effectuate'—and three of the justices would have thrown out the application entirely.

    Even that decision came down April 10th, so The Federalist's willingness to keep slinging around "verified member" a full week later shows a pretty impressive willingness to reheat cold hash.

    The Supreme Court decision is here: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

    A good read for the rest is here: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24A949/354843/20250407103341248_Kristi%20Noem%20application.pdf

    That's Noem's application to the Supreme Court attempting to vacate the federal court decision. The first 30 pages are, therefore, Noem and Sauer saying whatever they feel like saying. So yes, you find the "verified member" and "ranking member" business slung about right on page 5.

    Luckily for us, the court rules also required her filing to include the past history, as appendices starting on page 31 of the PDF. So you can see that old bond memorandum (p. 32), the Board of Immigration Appeals review of it (p. 35), and the district court decision (p. 112). So that one PDF is almost one-stop shopping.

    The Board of Immigration Appeals decision is interesting because it makes clear the point of the bond hearing isn't to check the factuality of allegations, but just to decide whether to grant bond given the allegations that are made. To counter the allegations, Abrego-Garcia needed to prove that he wasn't a danger to persons or property.

    We could think about that. If someone were to lodge an allegation that you belonged to a gang or you were a danger and you had to prove that you're not, how would you plan to do that?

    Maybe don't count too much on bringing character references and a record with nothing but driving charges, because he brought those.
     
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    Excellent summary... As I said before, any Lawyer with a bar card from a state that takes licensing lawyers serious would look at your summery of what they had to do and realize they could lose their license to practice law if they take on the prosecution of this case with such frivolous claims. As in not only is Trump's stupidity making large numbers of brown skin people disappear, but his stupidity has also caused lawyers to lose their license to practice law.
     
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    When an individual already has an open case within the judicial system the focus is on that specific case... That's why he's back in the US and not in a central american gulag because the executive branch and their pretend ICE admin judges have no authority over this individual's case moving through the judicial system.

    To be clear, the judge allowed him to stay in the country pending due process of his case. These false accusations, as well as ICE wrongly deporting him speaks to the failure of the hate-based allegations that John and all his loser Trump-humpers parrot out to the world without getting educated on fact vs. fiction.

    Most offensive of all is a hard working person raising a family and in need of more work standing in front of a Home Depot is somehow proof that he is "loitering" and leads to unsubstantiated allegations of carrying cash and weed in a state where neither are illegal makes him a criminal drug dealer?

    Let's call those claims what they really are: White supremacists hatred and racism driven by xenophobic desire for false persecutions of innocent people.
     
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