Car Scanner Pro app, water pump rpm?

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  1. xliderider

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    Does anyone have the Car Scanner Pro (paid version) and have the Electric Water Pump Speed, Actual display (rpm) and the Electric Water Pump Speed, Requested (rpm) sensors displaying/working on the dashboard display? The two sensor data gauges only display zero rpm on the dashboard display.

    I'm using the app with a Veepeak ELM BT adapter, https://a.co/d/7GjiY1X

    I can get the Inverter Pump rpm displayed properly, but I am more interested in the engine coolant water pump information because the water pump is still the original, approaching 150K miles.

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    I don't know that adapter very well I would say since you have a display and you can get inverter RPM which to me is kind of funny inverter RPM nope it either works or it doesn't in the generation too and it gets changed accordingly I thought the 3 similar but bad location. I mite be that adapter.
     
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    Gen 3 inverter coolant pump is variable-speed and controlled very much the same way as the engine coolant pump.
     
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    Wth they had it good in the 2. should have left it alone . But it's more to play with and charge for so.
     
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    If you can see it on the screen in your app and is blacked out has no numbers etc maybe it blocked until paid for .
     
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    I paid for the Pro lifetime version, but still no go.

    I have another BT adapter coming in today, it's one of the adapters on a list of recommended adapters, provided by the app developer, that have known to work with the app. Fingers crossed.

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    Is the adapter you're using have bi directional ?
     
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    I don't think so.

    So, the second OBD2 BT adapter came in and it is the same in the Car Scanner Pro app, water pump rpm (actual and requested) gauges are displayed but no live data is registered/displayed. I think this BT adapter is bidirectional because it can reset the oil maintenence service reminder on supported vehicles, and do some customization of settings.

    I'm going to try another app, OBD Docker and see how it works. Hopefully there is a dashboard or display option for sensor data.

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    I don't think I would count on that from those mfgrs. But yeah try it . If you're ice water pump is chunking out you'd hear it with 9 $ meccie stethoscope.
     
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    Oh well, apparently it is confirmed that the Car Scanner app will not properly read/display the water pump data I'm looking for...

    From this thread, Prius overheating after water pump replacement | Page 3 | PriusChat

    The water pump duty cycle actually being for the inverter pump makes sense. I was wondering why the duty cycle was displaying a constant 62.5 percent duty cycle for the "water pump", when it should vary with speed. Whereas the inverter pump rpm seems to be a constant 3500 rpm regardless of the vehicle speed or load on the ICE, and whether the ICE is running or not.



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    I'm using the paid version of Car Scanner, but I'm sure it only shows information for sensors that exist on the car. I'm not sure that every car has a sensor for engine coolant pump RPM. I've gone through the list several times on mine, and I haven't found it. It looks to me that Car Scanner has provision to use every sensor in the protocol, regardless if the car has it or not. It seems possible that the protocol contains readings that may not yet exist in any car.
     
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    @Paul Gregory, you have a Gen5?

    That's interesting, on our Gen3, the two water pump sensors are at the very end of the list of available sensors available for the dashboard display function.

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    Yeah, in gen 3, the target and actual rpm for the engine coolant pump are PIDs available from the ECM. Likewise, the target and actual rpm for the inverter coolant pump are available PIDs, but from the power management control ECU.
     
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    So I might be able to contact the app developer and ask if they can change the source of the PIDs from the power management control ECU to the ECM? Could it be that simple?

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    I expect that a firmware update may be available as protocols change
     
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    PIDs have numeric addresses. I think it would be an astonishing coincidence for the target/actual pump rpm PIDs in the ECM to have the same addresses as the target/actual pump rpm PIDs in the power management control ECU. If Car Scanner offers one pair and not the other, somebody would have to reverse-engineer the PID numbers for the other pair, then ask the Car Scanner folks to add those (or add them as custom PIDs yourself, if Car Scanner has that feature).

    You could look through the big ol' thread where a lot of that reverse-engineering was done:

    GenIII Prius Custom PIDs for Torque app | PriusChat

    (The thread says "Torque app", but of course, once you know what the PIDs are, you know what the PIDs are. Then it's just down to the Torque vs. Car Scanner apps maybe having different ways for you to enter custom PIDs. Or maybe Car Scanner doesn't have that feature, and you'd have to ask the developer to add them.)

    A bit ominously, though, I see the very last post on that thread is 2½ years old and was asking about the same two PIDs. Which probably means that someone with a supply of round tuits will still have to go reverse-engineer them.
     
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    I previously contacted Car Scanner on the subject and he claimed it worked. End of story.
     
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    I've checked yesterday. No data for Electric Water Pump rpm. Only for Inverter with a steady 3500 RPM.
     
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    Yes, that's what I am seeing.

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    Are you thinking that means the car is just running that pump at a steady 3500 RPM, or that the PID might be wrong and showing some other value that happens to come out as 3500 whatevers?

    You could connect a signal generator to the power management control ECU's NIWP pin and vary the signal frequency and see if the displayed value corresponds, same way I did here (et seq.) for the engine water pump. Then we'd know whether that PID is right, at least....