Featured Toyota wins the solid-state race

Vision Zero started in Sweden, and didn't start gaining much foothold the U.S. until achieving some success in Europe.

I notice that you speak almost entirely on driver training and enforcement, almost nothing on vehicle design, and entirely nothing on road and systems design. You are missing much of the issue.



As initially stated in my community, their "Zero" target is simply impossible, according by other quality control approaches I've been exposed to. But if you can get past that, then I see a lot of usefulness in their approaches.

Here is their basis for claiming paths to 3/4ths reduction in deaths. I suspect some over-optimism and double-counting, but that still leaves a huge savings of lives and severe injuries, and pathways to to identify more.

 

Can you name one product I can currently buy with a solid state battery? Just one? Is that too much to ask for?

 

I'm not quite ready to believe the fantastic claims that solid state batteries afford a potential 100X increase in charge density, but even a small increase would be a gamechanger. Liquid fuels contain vastly more energy density, but they are also woefully inefficient; the best of which might approach 40% efficiency. Electrics, on the other hand, are over 90% efficient, and if/when combined with high energy density batteries, would be a decisive gamechanger.

 

I don't believe there are any consumer products with solid state on the market yet. Some medical devices use them like pacemakers but those are a very different chemistry than used in cars. For the type cars may use there were some camera's launched in space and some drones like aerodrone cargo dual use drones that have them. It is real technology, but current implementation is for where lower weight and size outweigh the added costs.

I believe the lower cost lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries are already the game changer. These are already small enough and light enough and have long enough life for long range BEVs. Solid state has the potential for lower costs and size but they are still much more expensive. It takes time. 2027 is soon, I expect that these would add at least $10K to the cost of a 300 mile (EPA) bev over a lithium Nickle cobalt chemistry and it would still be a heavy vehicle.

 

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Personally I wouldn't buy any of these products right now. I can find alternatives that cheaper and better. Found them on Amazon, but, just couldn't tell myself these are better than what the market already has for a lower price point.

 

Mighty impressive, winning "the race" when all participants haven't even yet approach the starting line of the race.

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I thought so, Toyota never gives up perfecting.

 

Sodium-Ion is the real game changer... Way more affordable in the long run. Better for the planet too... One of the main reasons it's not being embraced is China is 4 years ahead in development and are already producing EVs with them and the rest of the world's battery makers are heavily invested in planet destroying lithium mines and lithium-based vehicle designs that they don't want to give up on even though they'll have no choice once Sodium-Ion and it's way easier to manage thermal properties are used by more and more automakers because its cheaper and a better profit margin for a better performing battery in cold and hot weather.

 

This is what Google says: "No, lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries do not have the highest charge density; other types of lithium-ion batteries, like those with cobalt, have a higher energy density. While LFP batteries have a lower energy density (90–160 Wh/kg), they offer other advantages like longer cycle life, better safety, and higher power density."

 

sounds like ai, i wouldn't trust it

 

As always google is getting it wrong... The greedy imbeciles running Google don't invest in the truth they invest in revenue genration. Ask the same question to a non google service and

I remember back in the 1900's @bisco use to say the exact same thing about our mutual friend name AL...

 

Al Bakurkee?

 

No, I can't stand that jerk!
I was talking about AL Bamma. He's always been a really nice guy even though he was always full of it when he tries to explain stuff.

 

Part of getting ready to win a race is visualizing having already won the race and then reverse engineer the work that needs to be done to actually win. And Toyota's PR department couldn't engineer their way out of a paper bag, but they're doing everything they can think of to be supportive of something that's not going to even happen until mid 2030's

 

I wasn't talking about energy density per kg although LFP have drastically improved. They are small enough and light enough to fit in a midsize vehicle and have the greatest energy density per unit money (kwh/$ or euros or yuan or yen). Higher energy density in terms of weight are being used but the solid state needs to get better in terms of price to be in high volume vehicles. For example just about every high volume chinese car uses LFP, the Tesla model 3/Y standard range also use LFP outside the US, with tesla waiting to put it back into american made vehicles after manufacturing plants can be completed in the US for US production.

 

'27 bolt is using lfp

 

until the us battery factory comes on line, and the bev 3 platform. then it will be solid state

 

I'm not seeing much more than what was promised,
and big promises have never been in short supply.