What am I missing? Head gasket Dx

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by rubia, Oct 28, 2025 at 4:01 PM.

  1. rubia

    rubia Junior Member

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    Was talking to a mechanic today about the Prius EGR/Intake Manifold/Head Gasket/Spark Plug/Etc issue and he said he worked on a woman's car who decided to trade it in because they could never figure out what the problem was. They kept doing fixes but nothing worked. I don't have more details than that but if it was the head gasket issue, isn't that something you can literally see? Like, is it warped or not?

    Am I crazy or is this some kind of mythical issue that no one can ever pinpoint?
     
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    it's a super tiny leak that's difficult to view with even a really good camera... But the rough running and coolant loss is enough of a symptom for this known problem. Also without knowing the fixes the mechanic tried, it would be difficult to figure out what they meant by that.
     
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    If the mechanic did indeed do the head gasket job - the leak would be visually apparent on either side of the head gasket for confirmation. If it isn't, the problem wasn't the head gasket and he misdiagnosed it. You think the mechanic would take that hit and work for free???:(:mad:o_O:whistle:

    Just my two cents...
     
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    The head gasket used is a Multi-Layer Steel gasket with a black coating. They depend on very flat machined surfaces. Severe and prolonged overheating can cause a head gasket fail on a gen3 or any modern aluminum engine. Severe overheating typically causes a warped head.

    However the "normal" gen3 Prius head gasket leak does not require overheating. Most of them never overheat before early onset hg symptoms. The symptoms are severe cold start rattles that clear quickly and may not repeat for weeks or months. They pass combustion gas tests and generally produce no codes since it runs fine after the first few seconds. Mechanics are often confounded by these symptoms and suggest a thousand dollars worth of plugs, coils and injectors, usually a piece at a time. With no success.

    Typically the steel hg black coating has eroded between the cylinder and a coolant passage. Acidic coolant and carbon based pinging is the most likely cause along with poor gen3 head geometry and a minimal amount of black coating.

    With the gen4 1.8L engine Toyota updated the head gasket, head geometry, and rings to reduce oil burning (another common issue), along with improved cylinder cooling, egr design and more.

    What can diagnose an early gen3 hg leak is a dual view borescope inspection with a cold engine combined with a pressurized cooling system. There are several videos routinely posted here showing the process. Failure to act quickly to early symptoms can eventual progress to traditional hg problems including a warped head, bent connecting rod or hole in the block.
     
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    Wow, ok - that was all very clear. Finally. I've been on the threads this week because I had a shudder on a cold start last week after a night of rain and it's getting looked at tomorrow. It only happened, like, one and a half times, and I know all the things it *could* be but I also know the head gasket is the thing I likely need to actually contend with or plan for. I'm not interested in doing a thousand other fixes - spark plugs, etc. - that may ultimately fail - nor can I afford to - but if that borescope test is a true diagnostic then that helps narrow down efforts. My coolant looks good and I've had no other issues at all for 8 years. Thanks!
     
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    I *don't* know that, and seeing you already so seemingly fixated on that possibility, in a car apparently using no coolant and having started a little rough maybe twice recently, makes me worry that you (not your car, you) are a casualty of the sort of totalizing way it gets talked about here.
     
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    I guess I am. When you go on these threads, these are the loudest voices, as you clearly know. I just happen to be in a phase of my life where I am always steeling for the worst. I'm happy to be wrong!