Won't shift to D or R, Master Alarm ON. 12Vbattery???!!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by psiva, Jan 26, 2007.

  1. psiva

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    I initially had a Master alarm, VCS alarm, brake alarm when i started once, car didn't shift, then turned off and turned on power a couple of times, the error disappeared. I thought it was an annomaly and forgot about it for a couple of days until i get into town to my dealer.

    Next day, alarms (VCS, Master and brakes) come on but i can drive... at a traffic light car dies, and doesn't want to shift to R or D. Hybrid battery shows it has charge.. as far as i know the car seems to have power, lights are on, heater works... so i turn off all the accessories, and try power down and power up.. no luck.

    Towed it to dealer who blamed me for leaving the dome light on and draining the 12V battery. They charge it and i take the car only to have it not start again 30 minutes and 20km later. Tow it back to dealer and dealer says 12V battery has an open circuit... Its been 4 days and I am still waiting for the elusive battery to arrive.

    How could an open ckt battery allow the rest of the car to operate. Cant believe a high tech car like this is failing for a low tech battery... Are the stock 12V battery unreliable.

    Any one had similar issues?
    Help
     
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    Something sounds odd here. Don't think it's the 12v battery which is causing problems like these.

    Have them check to see for error codes.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Jan 26 2007, 02:34 PM) [snapback]381273[/snapback]</div>
    They say they got P3000 Low battery error code... hmmm....
     
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    The stock 12V battery can be unreliable after it has been drained, for example by leaving on a dome light, leaving the rear hatch incompletely closed, incorrect installation of after-market electricals, etc. Low voltage on the 12V system can cause any manner of weird sh!t behaviour.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(richard schumacher @ Jan 26 2007, 04:33 PM) [snapback]381340[/snapback]</div>
    Would the instruments all work if the battery is drained?
     
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    do not know, but it's sounding more and more like it *IS* the 12v battery.

    Regarding the instrument displays: it's a bit more difficult to troubleshoot this car empirically than 'conventional' automobiles...I wish I knew the answer but I don't.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Jan 30 2007, 04:30 PM) [snapback]383000[/snapback]</div>
    Thanks! this is an awesome Forum!
     
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    Did they replace the 12V battery?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(richard schumacher @ Feb 2 2007, 03:03 AM) [snapback]384659[/snapback]</div>
    Yes 12V battery was replaced. Feb 1st 2007.
    Feb 2nd 2007 - update - Suspect ingition relay, replaced and will Technician will check on it on monday.
     
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    Feb 1st. Received car from dealer (Tony Graham in Ottawa) and drove home with no issues, stopping once for gas. 20km trip.
    After parking car for 10mins, went back and started... got the Master Warning, ABS,VCS check lights!!!

    Called dealer and let them know. I am getting frustrated now. 1,400 kms on car. Its been in the repair shop longer than I've had it now.

    Waited for half hour, tried again, this time depressed brake for 30 seconds till a humming i heard stopped, before pressing power... then only the Master warning light came on. Car is drivable.. but now dealer doesn't see my error...


    Feb 2nd.
    Silly engineer that I am, tried the car this morning.. no warning lights at all! Not sure what to show the dealer!

    Always when these lights came on, everything else in the car worked (audio, fan,lights) except wouldn't shift to D or R.

    Any Advice? Electrical problem...? Its also cold here. -3C (15F)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OttawaPrius @ Feb 2 2007, 09:24 AM) [snapback]384380[/snapback]</div>
    Sorry, no advice, but lots of sympathy (for what that's worth).

    BTW, -3C isn't cold! It hasn't been above -16C here for several days.
     
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    once the car is on, it runs without the 12v. an open circuit in the battery will not affect the car driving in traffic.

    ignition relay is possible, but he doesn't have a whole lot to go on here as far as clues, you see.

    let us know what happens.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Feb 2 2007, 11:17 PM) [snapback]384748[/snapback]</div>
    Dealer called Toyota Canada. They were able to narrow problem down to loose I16 red wire terminal - It apparently is the cable to the inverter. The terminal was re-secured. The '1G1' ignition relay was also replaced as stated before. Its been two weeks and no more issues! Car runs fine. I love the fact that 200 ft from my home it runs on batteries due to the low load even with 3 people in the car. Nice that I'm not polluting the neighbourhood!

    Thanks for your help guys and gals!
    -Prasanna
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OttawaPrius @ Jan 30 2007, 01:23 PM) [snapback]382867[/snapback]</div>
    I have had trouble on 5 occassions now, with what I think now is the 12V battery. In my work I have about an hour to kill between appointments frequently. Every time I have have a problem; I have sat in the car at least 30 minutes. When I push power button all the lights on dash go on, including fan, but it doesn't go to ready or shift. The first four times I was able to push the Power button several times and it eventually seemed to catch or reset and went fine. This last time I the drained battery completely and it would not even unlock the doors, other than driver door to get out. I opened the back door and got to 12V battery and jumped it. The car started right away and I haven't had trouble in the past week. While sitting the dome light was on and the headlights.

    Does this sound like a weak 12V battery? I feel that maybe the battery is just to small. I have sat in the car since without problems but making sure the lights and smart key were off.
     
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    coming in better late than never...
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    I16 appears to be the cover interlock. Any idea why it might have
    gone flakey? Didn't they try pulling codes, which would have pointed
    them right at it? There's a very clear P3140 or P3143 that points
    to the interlock switches on the inverter cover or the service plug.
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    Interestingly, the manual says it's a blue wire, but it's red in
    every inverter I've looked inside. Almost seems like an afterthought
    the way it's sort of kludged in there with a foam pad...
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    _H*
     
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    For what it's worth...I just bought a 2005 Prius which was in a rear end accident. The vehicle had sat for quite a number of months and was totally dead. A jump start of the rear luggage 12V auxillary battery started the car. However, the 12V battery must have been extremely week, because when I went to start it the next day, many of the panel lights came on and started flashing...but the car would not start. After a few attempts at starting the car (lights flashing and no luck) I jump started it again by directly hooking up a wall/plug in jump start unit hooking the jump leads directly to the 12V auxillary battery.

    Then after shutting down the vehicle, I removed the 12V auxillary battery, charged it overnight at 2amps (trickle charge) and after reinstalling it, everything worked fine.

    Conclusion: a week or discharged 12V auxillary battery will cause some strange behavior especially of the panel lights.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Reid @ Mar 11 2007, 12:37 AM) [snapback]403627[/snapback]</div>
    Yep. But deep discharges, and especially sitting for a long time while discharged, will pretty well ruin a lead-acid battery regardless of its age (be it the 12V battery in the Prius or any other car for that matter). It may be working for the moment, but I'd suggest that you're living on borrowed time.

    Do not expect to get a normal service life out of that 12V battery. Given the time it takes to get a replacement for that battery (they are a special size made just for the Prius) you may want to consider having it replaced pre-emptively to avoid the inconvenience of having to fight with an unhappy Prius for a week or two while you wait for the dealer to get a replacement shipped in.