Disease Prevention and Health Reseach

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  1. tochatihu

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    US has officially withdrawn from World Health Organization. There were two agreed contractual requirements for that. First, one-year notice, has been fulfilled. Second is payment of USD $278 million (unpaid dues or membership fees or whatever) not done.

    Rest of world will continue to support World Health Organization, and in better future times, US may rejoin.
     
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    Measles infections in US were notably high in 2025, and are increasing more rapidly in 2026 that has been seen in recent years. For context, 1990 had about 10 times more measles infections than 2025. This led to interest in vaccination rates back then.

    This was studied by Atkinson et al. 1992. The resurgence of measles in the United States, 1989-1990. Annu. Rev. Med. 43: 451-463. (That publication remains behind paywall but not a sturdy wall). Brief excerpt:

    “Vaccination data are available on cases reported since 1985. From 1985 through 1988, 42% of cases occurred in persons who were vaccinated on or after their first birthday (Table 2). During these years, 68% of cases in school-aged children (5-19 years) had been appropriately vaccinated. In contrast, only 16% of cases in children 16 months to 4 years of age were appropriately vaccinated. In 1990, only 19% of reported cases were appropriately vaccinated, the lowest proportion of vaccinated cases since 1985.”

    As far as I know the measles vaccine in those years was the same MMR as is being offered currently. 2025 outbreaks were in communities with 80% vaccine uptake or something similar. A simplistic view would be that 19% ‘gets you’ 27,672 cases, and 80% -> 2200. Reality is more complex, but it does suggest that near future will not have recurrence of 1990 levels. I see that as a good thing.

    Other parts of quoted excerpt show that MMR-vaccinated children got a lot of infections 1985-1988. This might be seen as evidence for inefficacy of this vaccine. Another view is that vaxxed children may have encountered many ‘sources’ that overcame their vaccine-trained immune systems. This may lead to improved understanding of efficacy of vaccines (even those so highly regarded as MMR).

    One gets vaccinated in anticipation of protection (or because of imposed requirements). One’s immune system gets trained before pathogen exposure, but things don’t stop there. Immune systems are finite, and with too much subsequent exposure, breakthrough can happen.

    Seen this way, getting jabbed is not the end of story. Rational efforts to limit subsequent exposure are complementary because the overall goal is not to get sick. In my view this applies to all vaccinations.

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    Rubeola virus seems like an odd one to me, with same vaccine formulation for decades. It seems an evolutionary laggard. Other pathogenic viruses mutate rapidly ‘to evade’ immune systems. With many more words we could wonder about that difference.
     
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    Rubeola virus seems like an odd one to me, with same vaccine formulation for decades. It seems an evolutionary laggard. Other pathogenic viruses mutate rapidly ‘to evade’ immune systems. With many more words we could wonder about that difference.[/QUOTE]
    We are hearing about the severe blood shortage in Michigan. Red Cross texts, emails and calls me. I'm at 9 gallons so far
    but low iron levels and small veins make it more difficult to donate as I age. Interestingly, they can check iron levels now
    without the finger stab.They use what looks like a pulse-ox device attached to bigger equipment to check hemoglobin levels.
     
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