Fillers in the Gasoline

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  1. Leadfoot J. McCoalroller

    Leadfoot J. McCoalroller Senior Member

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    Hi!

    I'm here to start a conspiracy theory that refiners are doing... things... to stretch gasoline products.

    Working through the conspiracy theory checklist, I have:

    • No proof
    • Sketchy anecdotes that support my conclusion
    • Time to kill
    • Access to a public platform
    • No access to petroleum QC equipment or methodology
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    So, in the past 48 hours I've seen a new Jeep throw some rumbly misfires. A brand new Nissan Altima did the same- a car I rented from Hertz in Minneapolis a few days ago. Then, an hour ago, my own Mazda in Pennsylvania had an odd stumble in the idle when I drove it to the market.

    Are refiners allowing more junk in their retail gas lines? 2% water instead of 1%? I'm the wrong kind of petrochemical engineer to be doing detailed roadside analyses of fuel products.
     
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    Clearly this is a counter-conspiracy theory that the corn lobby paid you and your colleagues big money to propagate because there's about to be a huge announcement about damage from ethanol in gas to finally being well documented enough that Gen3 Prius owners, as well as owners of many other makes and models will be able to file endless class action lawsuits against the corn lobby who's been providing falsified data for decades. Stay tuned to: http://www.pure-gas.org if you want to find out the truth!
     
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    I haven't noticed anything in my bolt
     
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    5G runs fine... but exclusively buy from one Top Tier station, and use midgrade vs. bathwater.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    That's OK.
    As we see here in PC, lackeys (or useful idiots) for the API have been banging on that drum since those HORRIBLE days during the Carter years when they started putting hooch in gasoline.

    2% water in gas?
    Really???
    I would think that PRIUS people above all others would be the FIRST to repudiate that idiotic notion!
    As in.....WHAT causes the Prius Death Rattle?!?!
    SO....
    Water and Gas do not get along well - and water is heavier so it will settle into the bottom of the tank when the car is parked.
    The API lobby is always yammering on about how E10 absorbs water.
    The API tells them to say "hydroscopic" a lot so people will think that they know what they are talking about - but HOW MUCH WATER will E-10 absorb before it becomes saturated - AND....what happens after THAT?
    eh?
    (I'm betting that this amount is a LOT less than 2%!!)
    Not all cars have comically small gas tanks - but SOME do....so we will use a 15 gallon "fill-up" as an average.
    2% water in a 15 gallon fill-up is not "a few ounces" - it's 0.3 fluid GALLONS......38 OUNCES! 4.75 CUPS!
    These are, of course, 'freedom units' but even if you throw down the 'metric' card 2% or even 1% is a NON TRIVIAL amount of water.
    Think that's going to get "absorbed" by the ethanol?
    Think it's going to be mixed in with the gas, or swirl around like some "lava lamp?"

    I don't!
    I think it's going to hang out in the bottom of the tank......where the FUEL PUMP is.
    That means that it is possible that you will get a bunch of MOSTLY WATER injected into your cylinder bores at some point.
    I doubt the car would even START with that much water in the gas and it it DID start I doubt you'd be knocking down 30+ MPG!!!

    One of the reasons that I really do not mind using Walmart gas is that the media (which is to say leftists) HATES Walmart - and we ALL know that they hate "Big Oil!"
    If their fuel was CONTAMINATED by water, just how long do you think it would stay quiet? ;)
     
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    On the mad overnight drive in my parents' car to drop me off for new student week at college, we stopped to fill up at some nondescript station that we found open at that hour in Nowheresville, Wisconsin. The car ran ok for several miles afterward. It was then very rough, and we weren't at all sure we would get to where we were going, or even to the next open station.

    We did manage to rattle in to another open station, far enough down the road that the tank could take enough more gas to achieve a better ratio in there, and the car ran ok after that, apparently no lasting damage done. Of course we never determined an actual percentage of the contaminant, or what the contaminant was, though water seemed most likely.

    I know it's chic to complain about regulation, but I've noticed in my later life I've been able to fill up anywhere from big-name chain stations to tiny Nowheresville ones and have never had that happen again, and to me that's a modern-life improvement...
     
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  7. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    I would submit that in these salad days of hyper-communications that it's a lot tougher for sketch gas regardless (or irregardless - whichever is the real word) of government regulation/intervention - although the threat of either is enough to keep vendors honest.

    There are petrol stations a plenty and competition is ever the more efficient 'regulator.' ;)
     
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    I hate Wally's just because the worst of the human race tends to manifest their upbringings there. Still shop there tho :p

    But if a better deal's at TGT, buh-bye ;)

    Go to the petrol station I do, because 1) it's a Local institution I don't want to go away... and whilst they aren't even in the same universe as Publix-level customer service and attention to detail, for example... 2) the gas has never not been good.

    Not sure who's in charge out here on the space station to see that thru for 76... but it's been good as long as lived here, and the slight difference at Wally's isn't enough to allay fears of their overworked and underpaid staff just punching a clock and doing the bare minimum, when it comes to fuel quality -- they certainly aren't afraid to show their indifference with everything else about the store :rolleyes:
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    I pump my own fuel, and use NFC payment at the pump, so I'm not there to socialize- but I've found that the attendant at MY local Wally is quite friendly.
    Several of the kids in my church work there and they all make about $18 an hour if they're being honest.
    The Local HD pays $20.....

    TIFWIW.
     
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    There were overseas emulsified fuel companies claiming an improvement in emissions and a reduction in diesel use, but you had to burn through a tank of fuel in around a month. Even some testing doing that with gasoline which is more sketchy.

    and of course hydrous ethanol fuels exist in Brazil .

    to do the above here would require modifications to our laws and standards.
     
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    They also have a college tuition assist program for their employees to take advantage of.....

    "Walmart’s Live Better U (LBU) program is designed to help employees advance their education and career opportunities while working at Walmart or Sam’s Club [​IMG]Scholarships360+1. The program covers 100% of tuition and textbook costs for eligible associates, eliminating financial barriers and allowing employees to pursue high school diplomas, undergraduate degrees, or professional certificates [​IMG]Scholarships360+2. Unlike traditional tuition reimbursement programs, Walmart pays the costs upfront directly to partner schools, so employees do not need to pay first and wait for reimbursement"
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Water injection is an old concept for improving performance, efficiency, and emissions. Emulsifying it in the fuel gets around installing extra equipment.

    A northern European country used to have hydrous ethanol 15%. Removing the last bit of water, and keeping it out, of ethanol isn't easy, so hydrous is lower cost. The water in there also protects aluminum parts from the ethanol.