Is this the magic bullet that could save the world from environmental doom? It sounds too good to be true but if it is real, it would be ........ truly amazing. If it isn't real, it shouldn't take long to prove it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(qbee42 @ Sep 11 2007, 08:03 AM) [snapback]510586[/snapback]</div> Whoops I forgot to include the link. Here is the first article I found. But after googling John Kanzius I found a lot more info include you tube videos. Unfortunately, very few links have mentioned the fact that the radio wave generator uses more energy than is produced from the liberation/burning of hydrogen. Doh!
Dammit!! I've been working on this for over 30 years. I've got it all down pat except the part where I get salt water to burn.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bhaynnes @ Sep 11 2007, 08:35 AM) [snapback]510603[/snapback]</div> John Kanzius beat you to it by accident as he did get salt water to liberate hydrogen and burn. It's just too bad it's a net energy loser. Still some people claim it might lead the way to a more efficient technique for generating hydrogen than electrolysis.
Well, there's using Aluminum + Gallium, mixed with water (seawater?) to produce "on demand" Hydrogen. The "spent" cartridge gets recycled. Problem 1: Aluminum is not a green metal, though a market for it would make for greater recycling from dumps. Problem 2: Recycling the spent cartridges, unlike batteries that lasts for years, most people would need a cartridge per day. Problem 3: Greedy cartridge makers - just look at inkjet printers The only a Hydrogen economy can exist, is using Geothermal in Hawaii or Greenland to produce it cheap. Everywhere else, windmills, solar, hydro. Catalysts, like ordinary seawater, produce more hydrogen per volume of regular water. Now, how can you compress Hydrogen in large volumes, and ship it to meet demand? How indeed. Yet producing electricity in a green manner, and distributing it, is very easy. I really love the idea of supercaps or ultracaps, that charge slowly off 110 or 220 at home, building up amps, then a quick transfer to your car's ultra capacitors within a few minutes. Ever been scuba diving? How they fill the air tanks? With a BIG pressurized air tank. Same idea, with the ultra capacitors. Now they just need to harness lightning for the refueling stations. Cue from the Stardust movie?
San Fran is looking into using water power.... and its real... hahaha... just that they are planning to use the current to power generators to produce electricity. Better hope than these snake oil.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dipper @ Sep 11 2007, 12:56 PM) [snapback]510752[/snapback]</div> I'd just like to point out that labelling this discovery "snake oil" is only partially appropriate. It is a real effect. The claim that it might be a useful source of free energy is not so much the discover's claim as the media's. I think the media largely has done a poor job of reporting on it. As usual they sensationalized it way out of proportion and often didn't show in their reports that it is a net energy consumer not producer, something John Kanzius now readily admits. The media spin has been a diservice to us yet again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mark Derail @ Sep 11 2007, 08:02 PM) [snapback]510694[/snapback]</div> Home DIY cartridge refills. One syringe...big boom. :lol:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dipper @ Sep 11 2007, 03:56 PM) [snapback]510752[/snapback]</div> Read up more on this. The guy is basically making Brown's gas, H2O2, which burns quite strongly, probably a better gas to use than pure Hydrogen. Now, instead of using hydrolysis, he's using a microwave emitter. Thus, energy in is much higher than energy out. I guess it shows that anything can get a press release and spread everywhere depending on how it's written, and, how many people never understood high school level physics & chemistry.
Was going to say, wasn't this already "invented" the whole "cheap energy" from water bit some time ago... ehh another way to do it I guess. Interesting is that while the "chemist" is claiming that the heat can run a sterling engine, which is great.. should have just hooked up an electric motor though you'll end up using less energy, none of the chemists and such working at the polymer's lab ever are quoted into saying this would be good for an engine.
Was going to say, wasn't this already "invented" the whole "cheap energy" from water bit some time ago... ehh another way to do it I guess. Interesting is that while the "chemist" is claiming that the heat can run a sterling engine, which is great.. should have just hooked up an electric motor though you'll end up using less energy, none of the chemists and such working at the polymer's lab ever are quoted into saying this would be good for an engine.
