Wal-mart hires environmentalist

Indeed. W@nkers... This is precisely what needs to happen. Sustainability needs to become part of the culture. Corporations that absorb it into their corp cultures is a good start.

 

Indeed. W@nkers... This is precisely what needs to happen. Sustainability needs to become part of the culture. Corporations that absorb it into their corp cultures is a good start.

 

The problem is that the environmentalists don't hate Wal-Mart's effect on the environement, the environmentalist HATE Wal-Mart and the concept of a free market capitolistic system!

I know, its a generalization, but the hard-core environemtal leadrship and activists are communists at heart and they believe that they know better how to treat the environment than anyone else!

 

The problem is that the environmentalists don't hate Wal-Mart's effect on the environement, the environmentalist HATE Wal-Mart and the concept of a free market capitolistic system!

I know, its a generalization, but the hard-core environemtal leadrship and activists are communists at heart and they believe that they know better how to treat the environment than anyone else!

 

Well, he certainly seems to possess the experience, the endurance and the drive for this monumental task. Now it's merely a question of WalMart's commitment and financing of his vision that remains in question.

And even if Wal Mart does engage in a new truly green vision, what about their handling of their employees and of all the laborers in other countries that cannot maintain a reasonable standard of living due to the decreased wages their forced to accept.

Seems to me that WalMart has to raise the bar in a couple different areas. I'm hoping that this is just the beginning. At least it can now be said that WalMart responds to demand....not continuing their management philosophies as if they are so far in the black (are they still???) that they don't have to change something that ain't broke. I never thought I'd be able to say that so they've already surprised me.

I'm an environmentalist and I would not shun Werbach's calls. I've too many suggestions for him.

 

Well, he certainly seems to possess the experience, the endurance and the drive for this monumental task. Now it's merely a question of WalMart's commitment and financing of his vision that remains in question.

And even if Wal Mart does engage in a new truly green vision, what about their handling of their employees and of all the laborers in other countries that cannot maintain a reasonable standard of living due to the decreased wages their forced to accept.

Seems to me that WalMart has to raise the bar in a couple different areas. I'm hoping that this is just the beginning. At least it can now be said that WalMart responds to demand....not continuing their management philosophies as if they are so far in the black (are they still???) that they don't have to change something that ain't broke. I never thought I'd be able to say that so they've already surprised me.

I'm an environmentalist and I would not shun Werbach's calls. I've too many suggestions for him.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SSimon @ Sep 12 2007, 02:38 PM) [snapback]511480[/snapback]</div>

And what, exactly, does Walmart's "handling of their employees" have to do with bringing Werbach in? Would you rather hate Walmart or influence Walmart?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SSimon @ Sep 12 2007, 02:38 PM) [snapback]511480[/snapback]</div>

And what, exactly, does Walmart's "handling of their employees" have to do with bringing Werbach in? Would you rather hate Walmart or influence Walmart?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devil's Advocate @ 2007 09 12 12:24) [snapback]511470[/snapback]</div>

No, some of them are accountants, who see a discrepancy between prices and what things really cost.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devil's Advocate @ 2007 09 12 12:24) [snapback]511470[/snapback]</div>

No, some of them are accountants, who see a discrepancy between prices and what things really cost.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05_SilverPri @ Sep 12 2007, 03:13 PM) [snapback]511506[/snapback]</div>

Influence WalMart? What about the manner in which they serve to influence? If they've enough superfluous money to engage in environmental philosophies that have no proven efficacy, such as the "optional" participation of employees in a sustainability campaign, surely they can raise the bar as it relates to the concerns of humanity. Everything boils down to quality of life. Wouldn't it be nice if the world's largest company managed their business philosophy with a respect for anything that affects same?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05_SilverPri @ Sep 12 2007, 03:13 PM) [snapback]511506[/snapback]</div>

Influence WalMart? What about the manner in which they serve to influence? If they've enough superfluous money to engage in environmental philosophies that have no proven efficacy, such as the "optional" participation of employees in a sustainability campaign, surely they can raise the bar as it relates to the concerns of humanity. Everything boils down to quality of life. Wouldn't it be nice if the world's largest company managed their business philosophy with a respect for anything that affects same?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hyo silver @ Sep 12 2007, 01:34 PM) [snapback]511525[/snapback]</div>

I definitely think this is far more likely the case for the majority of hard core environmentalists. They like capitalism ok but know that it needs to be regulated properly in order to serve the greater and future good and that the real cost of things should be internalized and not ignored like they have been in the past.

Often people think that when they criticize the markets or corporations it means that they want to get rid of capitalism all together. But, overall I think most environmentalists tend to take a more aware and balanced approach to things and that the people who wish they would go away, are the ones with their heads in the sand.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hyo silver @ Sep 12 2007, 01:34 PM) [snapback]511525[/snapback]</div>

I definitely think this is far more likely the case for the majority of hard core environmentalists. They like capitalism ok but know that it needs to be regulated properly in order to serve the greater and future good and that the real cost of things should be internalized and not ignored like they have been in the past.

Often people think that when they criticize the markets or corporations it means that they want to get rid of capitalism all together. But, overall I think most environmentalists tend to take a more aware and balanced approach to things and that the people who wish they would go away, are the ones with their heads in the sand.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devil's Advocate @ Sep 12 2007, 12:24 PM) [snapback]511470[/snapback]</div>

You apparently know nothing about environmentalism. No my friend. You are DEAD wrong. Go read "Natural Capitalism", "The Ecology of Commerce" (Paul Hawken) and/or "Deep Economy" or even "The Post Corporate World" and "When Corporations Rule the World" by David Korten. Most of my friends that I would consider "environmentalists" are very savy on the pros and cons of capitalism, some are economics majors, biologists or even professors or (business dept.) deans at colleges. They are not hippy poster children that so many of you like to make them out to be.

The free market system is crippled in many ways. It also boasts some fanstastic bonuses but without control it is more dangerous than it is good. We see that now.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devil's Advocate @ Sep 12 2007, 12:24 PM) [snapback]511470[/snapback]</div>

You apparently know nothing about environmentalism. No my friend. You are DEAD wrong. Go read "Natural Capitalism", "The Ecology of Commerce" (Paul Hawken) and/or "Deep Economy" or even "The Post Corporate World" and "When Corporations Rule the World" by David Korten. Most of my friends that I would consider "environmentalists" are very savy on the pros and cons of capitalism, some are economics majors, biologists or even professors or (business dept.) deans at colleges. They are not hippy poster children that so many of you like to make them out to be.

The free market system is crippled in many ways. It also boasts some fanstastic bonuses but without control it is more dangerous than it is good. We see that now.

 

Hi All,

Read an article in one of the design magazines about Walmart's green program. They have a plan which reduces to 18 % the energy spent on the Super store refrigeration lighting. It uses LED lights (which emit less heat than flourescent, and are more durable (no condensation on High Voltage contacts) and use less energy besides. Its a 92 % reduction in energy, if one considers the amount of heat that does not hav to be pumped out of the freezer cabinet, besides the reduced energy consumption of the lights due to instant switching, lower consumption lights.

Pretty slick. After trials, they want to retrofit all the stores with freezer cabinets.

 

Hi All,

Read an article in one of the design magazines about Walmart's green program. They have a plan which reduces to 18 % the energy spent on the Super store refrigeration lighting. It uses LED lights (which emit less heat than flourescent, and are more durable (no condensation on High Voltage contacts) and use less energy besides. Its a 92 % reduction in energy, if one considers the amount of heat that does not hav to be pumped out of the freezer cabinet, besides the reduced energy consumption of the lights due to instant switching, lower consumption lights.

Pretty slick. After trials, they want to retrofit all the stores with freezer cabinets.