Nuclear Energy, Clean Coal, Sterling Engines etc

Yup.

Picks and shovels cannot compete with earth movers and machine that can chop off the tops of mountains or cut a 50ft. swath through a dense forest. Our technology has allowed us to do more damage faster than at any time in history.

Again, your ideas sound nice but they are not truely applicable within the current context.

 

The more I think about it the more rediculous that last comment sounds. Lets explore just the oil conumption of the last 100yrs compared to the previous 3000yrs. We can do wood too if you like, or ores? I'm sure you understand exponential growth right? We've used more oil in the last 30yrs than has ever been used in human history. lol

 

The bible is fictional, natures laws are real. The bold will die out because they refused to live within those laws. lol

 

Of course not. One just has to weed through the garbage and understand that these are ideas and not laws.

I'm sorry I diagree with you. I eat breath and sleep ecology and solutions for a sustainable future and I don't see such grand ideas as currently applicable. Someday yes and I feel space exploration is important but we would do ourselves a greater service by learning how to live sustainably before we move on to new planets. Ultimately if we do not learn how to do this we will never even reach the point of terraforming.

 

You forgot "necessary". Saving an ecological balance is necessary for the continuity of human life.

And if we are at a turning point on earth, why not take immediate actions that are easy and cost effective to implement. Conservation and reduction come to mind. Conversely, you'll hold out hope for colonization of another planetary object that's not even currently in the remote realm of realization as the true hope for our survival.

 

interesting conversations. I'm all for space travel.

I joined this group: http://www.youthnoise.com/MyCauseIs/?cause_id=384&a=index because someone i used to know had a great idea. she's currently working on that dream and i'm pretty sure she'll help make it a reality. she knows a fair amount of people who are wailling to help. including people in nasa.

I think earth is a little stagnant. we developed a huge amount of technologies but we lost the idea of progression over profits... at least.. the U.S. did. everyone my age sees it this way.... just about every age group i've chatted to sees it this way. so.. to the moon

 

We cannot even create conditions condisive to life on our own planet yet we some think we can do it on another? That's rich. Most of your/our generation is living with a "throw-away" mentality so it does not suprise me one bit to see people thinking about moving on to another planet since this one isn't good enough anymore. Guess there really is something to the "humans are a virus" idea. lol

 

Agreed.

Conservation and reduction are the key ingredients to sustaining ourselves while all these great new technologies can be developed. If you are running out of food rations you don't gobble them up while simultainiously searching for more food. You ration what you have while you search for more.

 

F8l,

Not surprisingly, the content of your response is exactly my reaction when reading Cobra's reply. I would prefer it be more telling of our era that we can learn from our missteps by amending our priorities as well as ensure our longevity through continuing innovation. With our behavior and consumption continuing as it, we will not be assured longevity as a species no matter how quickly we colonize or rely on another celestial body. This would be a short term solution as we'd be certain to replicate the same mistakes we continue to make here.

Or maybe they're just thinking we can reap....pillage.....rape the moon for resources and not live there to suffer the consequences. Then they're on to something.

 

i'm only voicing our dissapointment for our older, so called, "elders". they created this throw away mentality and we are stuck trying to kill it.

hopefully the generation that's getting closer to running this crappy fake and confused nation. wait... why are we still running off nations? The human race is the most advanced. the things we are building today are incredible.. but not efficient. none of it is, and it's like a wave of crap, someone is getting paid, to feed the nation.

let me clairify. it's not about everone getting along on comfortable minimals. it's about building a future. getting off your butt and doing something. everyone wants to sit their lazy behinds down and do nothing. I want to expand and build for efficiency.

what will go wrong? seriously? we'll be too efficient in the end?

everyone is afraid of investing their time and money for a cause anymore.

 

No worries mate. I'm not slamming you so much as the opinions of many young and old people today. I see both sides of it every day because I'm in between age groups. I also work in the field, in retail and I'm in college so I see a diversity of people throughout the day. A lot of young people will voice their displeasure with our problems yet wont put in the work to fix them. The 1/2 older people refuse to recognize the problems and the other 1/2 are in the field with me working on those problems. It's cool to see how excited a 60-70yr old man or woman gets when they see us "youger" people getting dirty to make a difference.

 

Um, no. Let's see -- where do I begin? Ah, never mind, you can just read this article.

Um, no. There is no clear evidence of any water anywhere on the Moon. If there is any at all, it will be small amounts of water ice in permanently shadowed areas of the Moon (which are quite rare). Anywhere else, water ice sublimates quickly in the sunlight.

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, to be launched later next year, will search for these little pockets of ice, if any are there.

Maybe there's enough shadowed ice to provide some support to a very small lunar base. You certainly can't count on any significant number of humans living off the land on the Moon. Ever. They'll have to get their water from somewhere else.

 

You're funny. So now you're saying that people have a lesser quality of life in environmentally stable areas. Health is a major component of one's quality of life. Dare I say that without it, one's life quality is probably very lacking. Expressed in those terms many people would forgo the material affects that can be defined as over consumption. I'm not talking about the consumption of necessities for life or even a degree of frivolities.

Did China fund this program yet? Edited comments about cost effectiveness of this program as I now see that the quantity to energy ratio of Helium 3 is significant.