Texas approves $4.9 BILLION wind power project

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  1. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    good job texas... now if only the rest of the country will get on the ball since the feds wont
     
  2. tripp

    tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it?

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    I have to disagree on this point. Yes, there's a lot of oil out there, but the American oil companies' shares of that oil are dwindling as more oil assets around the globe are nationalized and the existing fields decline. Furthermore, it will take a decade to see a drop of that oil, so they'll start the process forthwith. In 10 years who knows what assets they'll still have, outside of the declining fields that they have here in the States and offshore, so I think that they'd be pretty motivated.
     
  3. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

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    Human are foundering because of their own greed and ignorance. To screw up ecosystem because 98% of the population refuses to give up some of their cush lifestyle is a complete and utter joke. This is not simply about saving some animals. It is all about wrecking ecosystems that support us 100%. This does not even take into account the trashing of a Wildlife Refuge. Does anyone here even know what level of protection a Wildlife Refuge affords? You allow intrusion into that level of protection and you open up the floodgates to other refuges, preserves, seashores etc....

    IMO people in this country need to suffer a bit more before they are allowed to start making assine decisions like drilling everywhere possible. :mad:
     
  4. FL_Prius_Driver

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    There is one. It's called the National Renewable Energy Laboratory. They have done a lot. The problem now is fielding the technology. Poke around.

    National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) Home Page
     
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    You can spend a lot of words insisting that the government do this or that. Right now the government approach is to encourage drilling and declaring the other side as the source of the problem. In the intervening decades, it might be more productive to figure out what you can do yourself.

    One worry about your last statement. It puts people in one political party and animals in the other. That misstep excludes solutions that help humans and everything else (e.g. solar, wind, conservation, etc. etc. etc.) If you can come up with a specific example where something helps people but results in wildlife having to be destroyed, then I will be shocked.
     
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    As opposed to Algore and his carbon credit scam company. At least Texas will have an ACTUAL positive impact.

    Now California can cry about having to buy clean energy from Texas and getting raped on prices.
     
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    I think its a good idea, but you may or may not know about Perry and the damn Republicans in this state, they don't do anything unless they get a cut of something. Perry has been trying to sell our toll roads to foreign companies and has been pushing for an essentially Super NAFTA toll highway in the state.

    And Republicans held back an initiative that was pushed to give property owners a break on taxes by using actual selling prices of homes as the basis of what homes are worth for tax purposes, as opposed to arbitrarily basing them on so called assessments that make no sense. There is much much more they are doing to keep power in this state, and its only the leadership thats corrupt, there are some very good Republican electors, even they are hindered in trying to clean up the corruption Bush left behind.
     
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    Man who would you have run it? The answer is a constitutional form of government not more of the same. There is a reason why America was called the greatest country in world. We were a republic, had a limited form government, and its people were the freest in the world. Nationalizing everything and more regulation is not the answer. We have tons of regulation, how has it worked out for us?
     
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    Less regulation hasn't worked out for us at all, its caused over $2 TRILLION in damages so far, a mortgage fallout, a huge debt and given us a corrupt government, I think I'd like the regulations put back.
     
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    The U.S. populace is much to ignorant to make choices for themselves anymore. They are to infatuated with BS dreams of grandeur and American Idol type tv shows and can't be bothered with learning. In their own words, they don't have the time. I agree, keeping up on the payments for that hot car, jet skis, nail appointments etc. can be taxing to ones bank account.... :tsk:
     
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    have you been paying attention to the banking crisis? Your statement and the reality of that massive and vital sector of our economy are at loggerheads.

    In the last decade, when we've rolled back regulation it has resulted in rampant fraud, collusion, and greed. The deregulation of the energy industry in California was a nightmare and who got the shaft? The people of CA. The banking industries deregulation goes back to 1980, when both parties sold out the people. It's taken 2 decades to come to a head, but some are calling it the worst finiancial crisis in the country since 1932.

    Regulation is necessary. Completely free markets are unstable and are not good for anybody but the very wealthy. Since the vast majority of Americans are not very wealthy I say that we ought to avoid them.
     
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    wind power texas

    The Texas Legislature in 2005 directed the PUC to identify the most productive wind zones in the states and devise a plan to move power generated from these zones to the most populated areas in Texas.
    Here is a link that might be useful to you:lincenergy.us
     
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    We have lots of wind in our area. Would love to be able to harness some of that energy for our residential use. Of course, the HOA would not allow it. Damn shame.
     
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    another reason why a new high efficiency national power grid should be top priority!! what good is the power if it cant be transported to where its needed?? we need to stop localized interests and start thinking nationally. no state can stand on its own without massive federal help...
     
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    Does it sometimes amaze you that we are decendants of the pioneers (well, I'm not....but think of it in a rhetorical question)? I was reading the opening chapter of "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle" by Barbara Kingsolver and was struck by the differing attitudes of 2 young women portrayed in the book (first was a waitress in Arizona who didn't want it to rain (drought for 3 years) because she was off work the next day and wanted to wash her car vs a young woman from Appalacian Mountains area who wanted it to rain, but not too much (to wash everything away)).

    Sigh, we are a spoiled, lazy sort, how many of us couldn't survive if society suddenly went "Boink" and we were teleported back 300 years in the past.
     
  16. tripp

    tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it?

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    Oh we'd get on just fine. You'd be amazed at what you can do when you don't have any other option.

    We are a spoilt lot, I'll grant you that.
     
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    wind power texas

    The wind power produced like this runs through the cables and wires in your house. But often the quantity of the energy produced by the wind power is more than the requirement of the houses. This is the reason why there are many utility companies which offer you to buy the electricity back when they are not required by you.
    Here is a link that might be useful:lincenergy dot us/
     
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    Yes, I must admit how shocked I am that the oilies couldn't kill this. Way to go! Who cares, if T boon is making (more) money ... it's still a great thing.
     
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    Even Bush has always been a big wind supporter and is considered the person who really got Texas' wind industry started.

    Good to see Texas is keeping all their wind growth going. Right now in a lot of areas Texas has too much wind power - Another $5 billion referenced in the zenMachine's recent article will go towards building out their grid which will not only be good for Texas, but hopefully also for neighboring states.