Edible Estates. Someone had the same idea as me.

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  1. SSimon

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    Doesn't matter.....can't find seed in the local stores right now. Sniffle. I could probably get seed from the internet but didn't want to waste the fuel for one packet of seed. I'm still looking locally, however. If I find broccoli seed, I'll try it.

    I was specifically looking for heirloom seed. I had a nice experience with heirloom tomatoes and was going to see about the flavor of other heirloom selections.

    I really wanted to get my first crop going now so that I can see if I had the wherewithal to expand the garden by Spring. That's the only drawback to my prolonged wait.
     
  2. Godiva

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    The nice thing about heirloom is that many have superior taste than their grocery store counterparts, but for various reasons they aren't suitable for stores. Usually they are too delicate to transport and bruise or they don't keep long enough or something like that. That's why I planted Royal Blenheim apricot trees. They taste the best, but aren't very practical for commerical produce.
     
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    SSimon, are there any gardening clubs in your area? Most people sensing a kindred spirit would be happy to lend a hand. Maybe they have some seed or even a few plants to get you started. They could also pass on some valuable information about local conditions and what varieties tend to do the best.

    I didn't mean to discourage you by suggesting it was too late this season to do anything. I was thinking you'd be even more disappointed to start something, only to see it freeze before the crop was ripe. There are definitely things that grow through the winter, maybe even in Chicago, especially if you can give them some extra protection from the elements. :)
     
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    Even if it is a little late, join that local garden club. They'll let you know when it's time to plant whatever and will help you get started. They are excellent sources for seeds, seedlings and finding something unusual. There are garden club meetings in Balboa Park in San Diego every month. They often have a sale after their meetings where anyone can buy something. They are seedlings and cuttings from the members. And you can find some really unusual plants. I've mostly gone to the flower shows. But I think I'll be looking for some vegetable garden clubs locally. I'm lucky in that I have a family run little nursery in my neighborhood and they clue me in on anything new they get. Like my columnar apple trees. Sometimes called Colonade. You can grow them in pots. They're narrow, like a column and only get about 8 feet tall.
     
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    Godive, can you ask the nursury folks if there's a fig tree equivalent of your Colonade apple trees? I'd be most obliged. :)
     
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    I'll ask. So far I only know of columnar apple and peach trees. (Didn't know about the peach; just found it on the internet)There are several varieties of apple and one peach called Crimson Rocket. Apparently columnar is the new, hot shape and breeders are expanding the varieties available. If they've already done apple and peach, I'm sure other fruits are sure to follow. They've developed a dwarf pear. The ARS Kearneysville lab is working on dwarves and columnars. This is excellent for people with smaller yards.

    I think Colorado is too cold for figs, so you'd have to grow it in a pot and take it in the winter or something. Not sure if figs come that dwarf or in columnar. There is one that does OK in the Pacific Northwest but it's not a dwarf or Columnar.

    I love my apple trees and hope they look like this in a few years:

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    What do you need to do for the soil in the pots to give the trees the nutrients it needs to produce so much big fruit? I must admit... I have not had too good luck with container plants yet, and I know it's because I don't really understand how frequently to fertilize, how to manage the moisture, when/how much to amend, etc.
     
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    Good soil and regular watering makes all the difference. You need a good balance of drainage, water retention, and nutrients. Plain old dirt from the yard isn't likely to give the best results. A mix of compost, peat moss, sand, and sifted dirt is usually enough for healthy growth, with a layer of gravel-sized rocks at the bottom of the pot. Topsoil by the bag works too if you have no source of ingredients or place to mix them. Some kind of well rotted manure is also beneficial, but can be a bit smelly for the porch. As for watering, a drip system on a timer works very well. In the dry heat of a California summer, three times a day would not be considered excessive. One watering option I've used before is to stick all the pots in a large container, say a kid's turtle pool, and keep a few inches of water in it. The plants stay cooler, and have all the water they need.
     
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    I've used those gel water retention things to help pots. For tall pots or strawberry pots I've drilled holes along a length of PVC and planted that in the center and watered that way.

    I haven't done vegetables in pots, mostly annuals so fertilizer and dirt quality haven't been that much of an issue. But I have a wormtopia now and plan on using the worm tea as my fertilizer and supplementing potting soil with the worm compost.

    If you can mix your own dirt as opposed to just buying a bag of potting soil, you can custom mix it for an individual plant's preferences.

    I put a broken terra cotta pot piece over the drainage hole in the bottom, over that with a piece of old screen, then add soil. This helps keep the dirt from clogging up the drainage hole. Drip and timers are the way to go.
     
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    My observation with using potted soil (from the bags) is that eventually when I water (especially drip), the water just creates a 'path' from the top and heads straight on to the bottom. I block the bottom with some large rocks. Then I add some smaller rocks to enable drainage. Over that, I lay a carefully cut sheet of landscape weed fabric (as you mentioned, to prevent the sediment from washing through and clogging the holes). When I water (especially with drip), the water goes in for a few mins, and then shortly thereafter it's just coming out the bottom. The one spot that's being watered is wet, and everything else is dry. What am I doing wrong? This year I amended with some clay soil from my yard to help retain water, and instead of drip watering, I give it a splash all over pretty much every morning. It's better this year than last year, in that the water doesn't seem to just rush through. Instead, it takes a while for it to reach bottom, and only a little bit seeps out. For once, I've kept the clematis alive all summer, and even achieved a flower this later in the summer. And bonus, it doesn't seem like I'm wasting so much water.

    Anyway, can you provide more detail on those gel things? I looked for them at Ace but didn't see anything like that. Thanks.
     
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    They're called by various names but are water absorbing polymers. I usually see them at nurseries but they might be at some home garden centers.
     
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    Maybe you could try a different head, like one with an adjustable fine spray pattern that would mist the whole surface equally. Actually, I've had the best luck watering from the bottom, though this becomes impractical with more than a few plants.
     
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    PriuStorm,

    Your soil may be hydrophobic due to various reasons. Sometimes mulch can create this environment. At least it has in my garden. There are numerous other reasons this could occur. Maybe try amending the soil in your pots with some soil from your yard or garden.
     
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    Another community garden program.

    For seven years, Harry Rhodes' Chicago-based non-profit, Growing Home, has provided jobs and training for the homeless, the previously incarcerated, and people with low incomes. At Growing Home's four farm sites, participants learn organic farming and produce marketing. They also acquire general job skills. Over 70% of them end up getting work.


    "We now have our first year-round urban farm that we own, the Wood Street Urban Farm -- leading to a huge increase in interest in our work. When you can show a model of what an urban farm is and what can be replicated, people pay attention. Every week we give tours, with people coming from the Chicago area, from all over the country, and many coming from other countries.
    "We have increased the number of people we train annually to about 30. This is just a drop in the bucket. Our mission has expanded from job training and organic agriculture to community and economic development.
    "We are showing how urban farming can be used as the catalyst for turning around low-income neighborhoods, such as Englewood on the south side of Chicago."
     
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    Edible Estates is mentioned in this month's (Sept. 2008) issue of Sunset Magazine. It's on page 16.

    If you don't subscribe to this already, I highly recommend it.

    There are 5 regions available to the west:

    Southern California, which includes Hawaii
    Northern California, which includes Nevada
    Northwest, which includes Oregon, Washington and Idaho
    Rocky Mountain, which includes Montana, Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming
    Southwest, which includes Arizona, New Mexico and the teenie, tiny southeast corner of Nevada.

    Tripp: you would be Rocky Mountain issue

    Sorry, SSimon, but they don't go any farther east. But if your climate is like any of the regions listed, you could use that.

    I high recommend this. It is the first magazine I'd subscribe to as a homeowner and the last one I would give up. It has recipes, gardening, home renovations, decorating, vacation travel and reports on interesting products for home and garden. There is also a planting calendar for what to do in your yard each month. I also like the information on new plants that have come out for your area (hence the regions) and where you can get them.
     
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    We have a super Garlic Festival later in September. Can't wait! :love: