2012 PiP: Replacing brakes and rotors…real time question.

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    In the middle of the job and finding the c-clamp not budging the caliper piston. Sprayed it with WD-40…videos seem like it wouldn’t take a lot of pressure …some even use a needle nose.
    How much pressure? This is the only vehicle so housebound until fixed….thoughts?
     

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    That's a rear caliper. You can't just push that piston. You have to turn it while pushing.

    This post shows how you can do that, and the kind of tool you can use.
     
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    Reading through the threads. Videos for this model showed needle nose players, c-clamps mostly and some with specialized compression tool. I am in a garage with my only vehicle down atm. actually purchased a c-clamp just for that task mind you. It does spin with pliers.
     
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    As long as you're able to spin the piston clockwise while shoving it back, you're in business.

    You're just letting sleeve nut thread itself back down along the adjusting bolt while the piston goes back.

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    This gizmo works pretty good, on a ratchet wrench extension. There's lots of brands:

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    Just keep firm pressure as you screw it in.

    Have a look at "3rd Gen rear brake..." link in my signature. Sooner than later.
     
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    Thank you. It took some pressure and then was expecting the nut to be deeper when fully set, however turns out to be flush with the rubber edge..
     
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    One of the more professional videos suggested spinning the rotor by hand so it spun freely and made no noises, rubbing or dragging sounds. No matter what I did I was getting a some friction sounds.

    That said I put everything together and took for a test drive - only did the rears this evening. Test drive seemed to go well. Didn’t notice any spongy feeling in the breaking.. and couldn’t tell if there was a drag or friction sound either way. I will need to have someone stand near by as I brake to tell.
     
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    In this post you can find a little test I do sometimes to detect even small amounts of brake drag.
     
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    Thank you for the link. Unable to hear anything direct, yet suspicious of back passenger side wheel. I will do the front today and then try the coasting tips from the other thread.
     
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    You can also just place your hand on the hub to see how warm it is, compared to the front wheel hubs. Dragging causes friction and heat. Not a very scientific way, but it works. 80% of your stopping power is in your front wheels, so for the most part - it should be warmer than your rears.
    Don't forget to recalibrate/adjust, your e-brake cable. That can also cause drag or won't hold, if not adjusted properly.

    Good Luck.
     
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    Pulled the car in to start the front brakes and noticed a spring that I am presuming is from the rear passenger brake job.

    Anyone recognize?
     

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    There's a video for checking rear wheel drag in the aforementioned link, tips for the mandatory caliper piston orientation at assembly, and repair manual brake section attached.
     
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    Doesn't look like anything from a Gen 3 rear brake that I'd recognize.

    You know, for the first time in this thread, I notice I'm really not sure what car you're talking about. The thread is in the Prius v forum, your profile says a 2002 Gen 1, and the first picture of a caliper you posted looked like the Gen 3, non-Prius-v rear caliper with the parking mechanism. Unless this is some kind of Frankencar, I'm not really sure what's what.

    That's the exact principle used in the link given above in #8, but the link shows how to make it more sensitive to minor drag, by eliminating the heat from normal use of the brakes.
     
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    Good points. @PixelRogue, judging from the pic, it's gen 3 Prius hatchback? If so, request thread be moved (use report button), and maybe some editing of first post to clarify what model it is.
     
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    Thank you. Never consciously selected 2002 in the profile - that has been corrected. Also thought Gen 3 was elected for the forum.
     
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    Request to move thread submitted
     
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    Spring recognized for Gen 3 rear brake? Maybe from brake cable?

    I ran the car for about 2 miles w/no brake, albeit low speeds. Rotors all felt cool.

    Prior to starting the job, Toyota gave a quick inspection. They stated rear brakes had to be replaced asap, and front brakes were low, few smaller items and estimate furnished.

    Suspected the same on brakes. That said, only one pad looks low? My first time with brakes so maybe me not knowing what I am seeing. Here are the front and back brakes removed.

    Rear rotors, unclear if they needed to be replaced. Had an edge or lip around the outside, metal shows scrapes and dings.

    Front rotors looked quite good - surprised - so kept them as-is.

    what about these brakes would show low, when to me only one pad was looking lower than the rest?
     

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    Looks like beveled pad wear. Have a look at rear brake link in my signature. In particular orientation of the cross pattern of caliper piston.

    if you’re on a phone you’ll need to hold it landscape orientation to see signature.
     
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    After Midnight when it's real quiet around here I put the car in drive and let it roll out the driveway and down the street at speeds up to at most 6mph. The road is paved and fairly smooth so not to much road noise and I can hear even the faintest bit of pads rubbing on rotors. The amount of rub can change with the weather and sometimes there is none that I can hear.
    After I cleaned my rear pads / shims / anti squeel clips and pad bracket in apple cider vinegar, I reassembled without shim grease and while backing up sure nuff I got the squeel and unmistably load, specially after Midnight - - . I pulled the rears again when mounting the snows and added some grease and got rid of most of the squeel, but there was one inner shim set that was stuck together (don't ask me how that happened unless after cleaning there was still some sticky grease left on them). weird.. but i didn't try to pry them apart, it was already after dark and drizzling (same ole story).
     
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    I did review that link prior to starting and related posts sharing the need for the X positioned.

    Videos were helpful on expected drag..where I was thinking that expected drag was abnormal. I will take videos of the spin next time the car is lifted.

    I did not touch anything related to fluids during the job. Wouldn’t expect there to be the need to bleed lines if the job was dry throughout (?).

    Thinking I would do a brake fluid flush as the last part of the brake job. When are brake flushes recommended?

    Need to locate and replace this mystery spring at a minimum. Did not see that spring in anywhere in the diagrams.

    Test drove last night…rotors seemed cool. On the way home, tested sharper stops. The braking seemed good…ever so slightly more spongie than before. Unclear if that is the way brakes are meant to be when replaced, hardening over time etc.

    Some of the sliding pins (particularly on the front) were dried up so added grease which (in my non-pro thinking) might lend to a softer breaking experience.
     

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