Bleeding when pushing the front brake's pistons

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  1. Prius2006GuitarGuy

    Prius2006GuitarGuy Junior Member

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    Hey!

    I am planning on doing my front brakes: changing the pads and rotors.
    Watched around 25 videos including troubleshooting and when things go wrong just to know what I can expect.


    One video gave me something to think about (
    around 22:47) ,the guy says when pushing the piston back (using a piston brake tool) I should also open the valve to bleed that brake a bit as there might be debris there that would get pushed back up into the brake line if I do not open the valve when pushing the piston back.

    He was doing it on a non prius car so I'm wondering if that's standard on all cars, including the prius?

    Thanks!
     
  2. BiomedO1

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    If this is your first time doing brakes, I'd strongly suggest having a EXPERIENCED friend; who knows what they're doing help you out for your first time. Brakes are a pretty important component of your car and needs to function properly!!! If you don't have a friend like that, take the car to a professional. You don't know, what your don't know!
    NO you DO NOT crack the bleed valve on your calibers! That's a surefire way of getting air into your braking system. There shouldn't be any junk behind your caliber piston, if you properly maintain your braking system. Brake systems flush-out every 3-5 years; Toyota doesn't recommend it but other OEM's like VW & Honda do.

    I can watch plenty of videos on how to defuse a bomb; but that doesn't mean I would want to - the stakes are too high.....

    Just my 2-cents.......
     
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    I disagree... Brake systems are very simple and straight forward and the fear related to maintaining them causes so called "Professionals" to charge hundreds of dollars for something that's a super easy 20 min job once you've done it enough times. It's not much different then changing batteries in an expensive machine. And changing brake pads most often doesn't require new rotors or bleeding the lines... Of course if you want to tru$t the expert$ about $afety...
     
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    Toyota USA simply says nothing about brake fluid replacement. For our newly purchased 2010 Prius, Toyota Canada also said nothing. But I happened to notice, looking at TC’s maintenance guide for model year 2014 Prius: they’d added:

    Replace brake fluid, every 48k kms or tri-yearly, whichever comes first.

    ^ I’d concur though, every 4~5 years is reasonable.

    There’s a couple of brake related links in my signature, 3rd gen specific but with some universally relevant bits.

    The link about rear brake drag has general advice about DIY Prius brake maintenance “tactics”, to avoid things like the car trying to pressurize the brake hydraulic system while the caliper’s off the rotor, which can be disastrous , piston pushed out of caliper. Another issue is the car detecting excess brake pedal travel after brake pad replacement, and how to avoid that.

    There’s another link about DIY brake fluid replacement, again 3rd gen specific but maybe worth a read.

    (On a phone turn it landscape to see signatures)

    Attached is 2nd gen Repair Manual brake excerpt:
     
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  5. Prius2006GuitarGuy

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    Thanks for the replies guys!

    I'm getting the rear brakes and the parking brake (rotors, pads and drum brake - EU version, so the back brake has rotors and pads and in the middle the parking brake is a drum) done professionally for around $500, they want another $300 for the front brakes - that seems like quite a rip off and although I was born handsome unfortunately I was not born rich :p:D

    I don't have a friend to help me the first time but I've taken notes off the youtube videos I've watched, it does not seem very complicated.
    My logic is if I do f up big I can then pay someone to come fix my f'up, if I mess up a little bit I still have the new back brakes that should help me at least get to a mechanic...
     
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    As you can see, there are differences of opinion. :)

    For what it's worth, I'm in the bleeders open to push pistons back camp. As a younger fella I used to just mash them back and force the fluid back up into the head end, but that was back in the days when the head end was just a bare-bones master cylinder and not an ABS actuator containing dozens of tiny delicate electronic valves and with a four-figure replacement cost.

    As I don't want to be letting air in while I do it, I'll take a length of clear tubing long enough to make a loop, pour some brake fluid into it, wiggle the end onto the bleeder nipple before opening it, and loop the tubing upward from the caliper and then down into a catch bottle. That way when I crack the bleeder open, if anything goes inward (which isn't likely anyway; I'm going to push on the piston, not pull it*) it'll be the fluid in the tube.

    By contrast, I'm not as fastidious about total brake fluid replacement as some. I dunk a test strip into mine now and then. If I change pads, I'll make up for the fluid I pushed out at the bleeders with fresh fluid into the reservoir. Once or twice I've noticed honk noises and done a bit of bleeding to alleviate those; the amount of fluid that goes out I'll make up with fresh at the reservoir. I tend to think those things add up to "good enough" fluid replacement, just through doing things I was going to do anyway.



    * when you're done pushing and take your push tool off, the piston may rebound by maybe 0.3 mm, just the rubber piston seal doing the same thing it does in normal use when it retracts the piston, only in reverse. So there'll be a little bit of backward flow in the tube at that moment. By that time the tube should already be filled with fluid you pushed out, even if you didn't pre-fill it.
     
  7. BiomedO1

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    @Prius2006GuitarGuy; did you see that procedure in one of your 25 videos????? That would be an acceptable way of keeping air out of your brake lines. While some would claim how easy it is; You don't know, what you don't know.....

    Good Luck........